1988 cent retained die break?

[jazzcoins]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_15_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=_undefined) Here;s a 1988 cent that i got in a roll today i think it;s a retained die break. i tried to find the value of this error i know it doesn't bring a large premium just curious any clues/

Jazzcoins Joe
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[kloccwork419]

jeez dude..them smilies are kinda much?

[mustbebob]

It's a simple die crack and chip. The terminology of being 'retained' doesn't need to be used here.

[fugnchill]

Hi Jazz,

For it to be a retained die break, the crack has to start at the rim at some point and end at the rim at some other point and the broken portion has to remain per se within the collar.

[fugnchill]

Here's a link to another thread that this was discussed with pictures

http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1213

[kloccwork419]

Anything special about retained cie cracks?. I just found one that had a crack all along the top of the motto then back into the rim again..I think I threw it back..O well.. Im not checkin for it again!! Unless its worth it!!..lool

[1sgret]

There is no such thing as a "retained die crack".

However there is a "retained cud".

Retained cuds are usually found on the reverse design of the coin. Key identification of a retained cud is the secondary design shift. The design on the coin created by that loose but retained die segment will appear to be slightly shifted and displaced from it's normal position.
You will be able to see the discontinuity in the design features along with a line of demarcation which represents the actual fracture line of the die segment.

Eventually the broken die part will fall away and all coins struck with this die on the reverse side will have a fully unstruck area where the broken die part was and fell away. That is the definition of a retained cud. "The Error Coin Encyclopedia", 4th ED

Hope this helps you understand how they happen and what they look like.
The broken die part fell away on this example.

[kloccwork419]

Yea o well. Mine is just a crack..lol...I do have a nice cud tho and doubt it will ever fall off!!

[fugnchill]

Hi Joe,

Your first pic looks like a split planchet not a broken die (cud). It looks recessed instead of a raised blob. It might have been hinged at one point or that's the original die crack along the inner edge that I see.

Your second pic looks exactly like my quarter which I'm still not totally sure what caused it. It could have been caused by SLAG that has fallen out but no discoloration is left and the other thought that I had was grease/dirt/metal filled the lettering and slowly piled up to create this indent.

Just thought I would let you know in case you had these cataloged as cuds. Now if your first pic does have the raised blob and my eyes are playing tricks on me then well, never mind...:)

Lestrrr

[1sgret]

Hi Lestrrr: Yes raised blob!
What does your quarter look like on the reverse?

[fugnchill]

That first pic is playing games with my eyes.
The reverse looks normal other than the mass wear. How about yours?

Lestrrr

[1sgret]

On mine the reverse is somewhat indented and no design opposite the cud on the obverse which it should be for a retained cud.

I would say on yours by your description and picture that your quarter is struck thru some type of debris on the obverse.