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    This is my exhibit...hope u enjoy..and maybe learn something new

    Hi.. I wanted to post my exhibit before..but did not want it to get out for fear of someone picking up my idea...(paranoid in that way) I wanted the whole world(FUN show) to see the info at the same time..I worked hard on it for a year....
    .I will post it in parts...intro,cents,nickels,dimes,quarters,halves, dollar,finish...
    .when the last sentience..."Start searching your coins now; you never know if the next Wrong Design Die that is found will be yours or the person standing next to you also reading this information!" pops up...please let me know of anything you might think needs changing..or if you find any coins to add to it...this is just for business strike coins...not proofs..I will also have my pics with each section... it may take me awhile to post all the parts....OK...here goes....

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    Wrong Design Dies And Transitional Design Dies Of 20th Century Business Strike Coins


    Imagine one day you’re at a show standing in front of a coin dealer’s table. While looking at his 1859 cent you flip it over. There you see a shield above the wreath on the reverse. You start to think “That is not supposed to be there. The shield reverse was created in 1860, not during 1859.”

    You would have just found an error coin, a subset of a Wrong Design Die called a Transitional Design Die. Most of these 1859 cents with a shield reverse have been found and are quite valuable. However there are some Wrong Design Die and Transitional Design Die coins that can still be found in circulation or in a dealer’s inventory for the price of a standard coin.
    This exhibit will be examining 1988, 1992, 1998 to 2000 cents; a 1939 nickel; 1969 to 1970 dimes; 1956 to 1964 quarters; 1958 to 1959 halves, and a special dollar.
    Please feel free to examine these 20th century business strike coins. Then read at the end for a list of Wrong Design and Transitional Design Die combinations that have yet to be discovered. Are they waiting for someone like you to find?
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    First let’s start with three definitions for die design classifications.
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    WRONG DESIGN DIES: A coin where the dies that struck the coin were
    not intended to have been used together on that coin by the Mint.
    Example: A half dollar with a business strike obverse die and a proof reverse die.

    TRANSITIONAL DESIGN DIES: A coin with a die the Mint intended
    for use before or after the year that coin that was struck.
    Example: An 1859 obverse die with an 1860 reverse die on a cent.

    MID-YEAR DESIGN DIE CHANGE: A denomination that in the same
    year had different designs that the mint intended for use.
    Example: The five designs of state quarters each year.

    . The way the mint intended to use or not use the dies
    .is how to tell which definition you are talking about.
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    Now let’s go on to the coins….…first up my favorite, the small but fascinating CENTS.
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    .1988 P reverse of 1989 AKA RDV-006
    1988 D reverse of 1989 AKA RDV-006
    These coins are from a Transitional Design Die. This is a 1988 obverse die paired with a 1989 reverse die. On the 1989 reverse dies the vertical bar of the “ G ” in the designer’s initials shows a straight line at the top left going inward and drops down below the lower curve. In contrast the 1988 dies have a pain “ G ” with no fancy lines. Even though the 1988 D has 10 dies identified and the 1988 P has 7 dies, the “found” coins total 3 to 1 for the 1988 P over the 1988 D. This is why the 1988 D is very rare and the 1988 P rare. Both of these coins were found in circulation.

    1992 P reverse of 1993 AKA close AM or CAM
    1992 D reverse of 1993 AKA close AM or CAM
    An amazingly rare Transitional Design Die. This is a 1992 obverse die paired with a 1993 reverse die. The space between the A and M in America was reduced in 1993 creating the close AM cent. The FG (designer’s initials) was also moved farther away from the building on the 1993 dies. With only 4 to 10 1992 P CAMs and 15 to 20 1992 D CAMs reported you can see that these coins are extremely rare.
    This 1992 D CAM was found in The Villages, a community 60 miles north of Orlando.

    1998 P proof reverse AKA wide AM or WAM
    1999 P proof reverse AKA wide AM or WAM
    2000 P proof reverse AKA wide AM or WAM
    This is our first Wrong Design Die on our list as these coins were made using a business strike obverse die and a proof style reverse die. Since 1994 the one cent proof dies have been made with the space between the A and M in America farther apart than on the business strike dies. The FG (designer’s initials) is also closer to the building than on the business dies. On these wide AM or WAM coins a proof die was used at the Philadelphia mint instead of a business strike die. The 1999 WAM cents are the by far rarest with the 1998 scarce and the 2000 a little more common but still hard to find. All of the WAM coins shown here were found in Florida while looking thru change.
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    .Up next NICKELS?......Nope, no Wrong Design Dies exist on any business strike nickels!

    .The Jefferson "Nickel" (made out of 75% copper and 25% nickel) was created in 1938. During 1939 or the 2nd year of production, Monticello's steps were strengthened. The two dies used that year were later called the reverse of 1938 (mushy steps) and the reverse of 1940 (strong steps). Since we know that both dies were intended by the Mint to be used in 1939, we can use our definitions to say that these nickels are NOT Wrong Design Dies or Transitional Design Die coins. However, they do share a similarity to some other nickels: the 1867 with rays/without rays, the 1883 with cents/without cents, and the 1913 buffalo on the mound/buffalo on the plain nickels. They have two different dies intended for use in the same year or per our definitions a Mid-Year Design Die Change.
    NOTE: The 1940 proof nickel has been found with the reverse of 1938, creating a Transitional Design Die although it’s only on a proof coin.
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    Next up we will look at the small yet always interesting.…...…DIME.

    .1969 P Proof reverse AKA reverse of 1968 AKA the two cut die
    1970 P Proof reverse AKA reverse of 1968 AKA the two cut die
    1970 D Proof reverse AKA reverse of 1968 AKA the two cut die

    The proof dime dies were changed in 1968 to show 2 deep cuts in the torch. The business strike dies do not show both cuts and were used from 1947 to 1970. The 2 cut die started as the only die used for business strike and proofs coins in 1971. So what are these coins: Wrong Design Die, Transitional Design Die, or Mid-Year Design Die Change? During 1969 and 1970 this die was intended to be used on proof coins only. We can see by using our definition that these are Wrong Design Die coins. They were struck using obverse circulating dies and reverse proof dies.
    Out of all these coins the 1969 seems the hardest to find, with the 1970 D the easiest. All 3 examples were acquired in 2012 at different Florida coin shows.
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    Now with more Wrong Design Dies than any other denomination……..it’s QUARTERS.

    .1956 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse
    1957 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse
    1958 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse
    1959 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse . Still Going?....
    1960 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse
    1961 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse .Just A Few More…..
    1962 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse
    1963 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse
    1964 P proof reverse AKA Type B reverse . Finally Done!!!

    That was a bunch of Wrong Design Die quarters! Starting in 1950, only on the proof quarter dies, the leaf to the left of the arrow is pointed and rises above the arrow heads. The space between the E and S of states is also wider on these proof dies than on the business strike dies. With a little luck all of them can be found inside a dealer’s inventory for the price of a standard coin. The 1956 is the rarest of the type B quarters with the 1959 the most common as they were in mint sets.
    All of these quarters shown here were found either at coin shows or at auctions.


    .1964 D reverse of 1965 AKA Type C reverse

    This is a special Transitional Design Die quarter. All 1964 dated quarters were struck into the 1965 year. On the 1965 reverse dies the tail feathers of the eagle are stronger with a center line on each feather. Also on these dies the leaf to the left of the arrow is pointed but it does NOT rise above the arrow heads. The 1964 circulation die has a weak more rounded leaf but it too does not rise above the arrow heads. The 1964 D Type C quarter is considered extremely rare. Even an almost uncirculated example is rarer than a mint state example of any of the 1956 to 1964 Type B quarters.
    This 1964 D Type C quarter was bought at an auction, but an example may still be found in a dealer’s inventory if you are lucky and diligent in searching.
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    It’s the biggest coin with a Wrong Design Die…....HALF DOLLARS.

    .1958 Proof style reverse AKA Type 2
    1959 Proof style reverse AKA Type 2
    1959 Double Die Reverse with the Type 1 and Type 2 reverse AKA Type 3
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    The first 2 coins here are Wrong Design Die coins as this is again a proof die used on a business strike coin. The eagle’s right wing feathers (viewers left side) are modified on proof half dollar dies. These dies have 3 strong feather tips while the business style (or Type 1 dies) coins have 4 weaker tips. It has been stated that 20% of all 1958 and 70% of all 1959 business strike halves are Type 2 dies.
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    The last coin in this group is a 1959 doubled die reverse in which the die was made using a Type 1 hub first then later with a Type 2 hub. This shows both the weaker wing tips and strong wing tip on the same coin. This is a special Wrong Design Die or a hybrid “Type 3” coin. The coin in question has doubling on the bell and motto areas of the reverse as well.
    All of the coins in this section were found at different coin shops thru out Florida.
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    Wrong Design Dies are not just limited to coins ........ONE DOLLAR (Bill that is).

    .1995 Fort Worth reverse of Washington, D.C. AKA 1995 dollar mule
    Starting in 1991 dollar bills were made at two facilities: Fort Worth, Texas and Washington, D.C. On a Fort Worth printing can be identified by a FW on the lower right side next to the face plate number. The back plate on a Fort Worth bill will have large size numbers for the plate ID located in the lower right corner. A Washington, D.C. back plate will have small size numbers for the plate ID. When examining this bill we notice a FW on the face plate identifying Fort Worth. On the back it has plate number 295, and the size of a small plate number or a Washington, D.C. plate. So by using our definition we see that this bill is a Wrong Design Die. It has a Fort Worth face plate with a Washington, D.C. back plate. This bill was pulled out of circulation in 2003 shortly after an article about the 1995 FW 295 plate mules appeared in print.
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    What else could be out there but not yet found? Here is a list of some design changes on coins. Could you already have one and not even know it?
    1) 1973 cent: Only year on the reverse where the “F” in “FG” is level with the top edge of the steps of the memorial building. Look for the tall “F” on the 1972 or 1974 cents.
    2) 1992 cent: The A and M are wide on 1992 cents. Look for this on 1993 cents. If you can have a 1992 CAM there may be a 1993 WAM.
    3) 1994 to 2008 cents: These have a Business Strike or CAM reverse die. Look for a proof style reverse or WAM on all these coins from the P and D mints.
    4) 1966 nickel: The designer’s initials FS were added to the bust area on the obverse. Look for a no FS on the 1966 nickels
    5) From 1950 P and D to 1955 P and D quarters and 1956 D to 1964 D quarters: Try looking for the Type B or Proof Style Reverse on quarters of all those years.
    6) Business strike Franklin half dollars with a Type 2 or proof style reverse dated between 1956 to 1957 and 1960 to 1963.



    Would you enjoy learning more about Wrong Design Dies or Transitional Design Dies? The information given here and some of the pictures were compiled using these books and websites; take a minute to check them out.

    1) The Cherry Pickers Guide volume 1 and 2, books by Bill Fivaz and J.T. Stanton
    2) Complete Encyclopedia Of U.S. And Colonial Coins , a book by Walter Breen
    3) The authoritative reference on Lincoln cents, a book by John Wexler and Kevin Flynn
    4) Strike It Rich With Pocket Change 3rd edition, a book by Ken Potter on varieties
    5) 100 Greatest U.S. Modern Coins, a book by Scott Schechter and Jeff Garrett
    6) www.lincolncentresource.com, a website for Lincoln cent varieties
    7) www.franklinlover.yolasite.com, a website for Franklin half dollars
    8) www.Doubleddie.com, a website by John Wexler listing all forms of die varieties
    9) www.error-ref.com, a website for error and variety information
    10) www.washingtontype-b.com, a new website for Type B quarter collectors
    11) www.varietyvista.com, master list of die varieties from a club called CONECA
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    Start searching your coins now; you never know if the next Wrong Design Die that is found will be yours or the person standing next to you also reading this information!
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    Super ! I printed it out,( if that is ok ) it will be nice to add this to my paper resources.Very informational & interesting. THANK YOU ! Vickilynn

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