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    I think they are the same die, just different die states
    take the first set of pics and toggle between pic 1 to pic 2 back to pic 1 and so on and so on.
    Everything lines up and looks correct
    Nice job with the overlays, both of you
    now I want to try it.
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    Actually coin #1 is an attributed copy of Coneca's 1989-D RPM#4. Coin#2 and #3 were purchased From John Shields - At the time I thought coin #2 could be RPM#8, so John sent me two examples that he thought were the same die. Long story - short. James Wiles let me know that RPM#8 would probably be removed as another die state of RPM#4. I just wanted to make sure all these examples matched and we were not removing a valid RPM.
    Ray - all three pictures were taken L=600px H=400px. and then tried to make sure all three were cropped at exactly the same place. All three were taken at exactly the same size and same time one after the other.

    My original thought was coin #1 & 2 were the same. Coin #3 was a little different position - That is why having more then one copy of a die is very important to accurately determining the die #.
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    Yeah, after staring at the animation for a while (they are hypnotizing...) I'm now 100% they are the same die, with #1 appearing to be earlier die state.

    If all three photos were taken same time, it's very odd that the 3rd photo came out with a higher magnification. The first 2 are the same, just slightly offset, but the 3rd is for sure different. It's about 3.4% higher magnification, enough to make the MM appear to be in a different location, but when the #3 image is shrunk to match the others they all line up nicely.

    Did you take these photos with an autofocus camera? Only way the magnification can be the same is if the camera focus is the same, otherwise there can be slight differences.
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    Cool... Excellent show on the die states... That animated overlay really clinches that these are indeed all the same die... Thanks Ray!!!
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    Did you take these photos with an autofocus camera? Only way the magnification can be the same is if the camera focus is the same, otherwise there can be slight differences.


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    No. All three photo's were taken with your set up and my Nikon with control my Nikon
    the zoom could have changed when I tried to focus with your set up. all done maually. The Nikon does not have auto focus on the camera set up I bought from you.
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    Looks like you guys have this figured out, but here is what I came up with in my analysis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaxtellcoin View Post
    No. All three photo's were taken with your set up and my Nikon with control my Nikon
    the zoom could have changed when I tried to focus with your set up. all done maually. The Nikon does not have auto focus on the camera set up I bought from you.
    OK, makes sense. With the setup you have, as you change focus by moving one of the standards (camera or lens), the magnification will change. Only way to keep the magnification the same is to move the two standards the same amount.

    Quote Originally Posted by silver1985 View Post
    Looks like you guys have this figured out, but here is what I came up with in my analysis.
    Your analysis shows that the 3rd image is at a higher magnification than the others. The 19 came from the master hub (I believe) so it can't change size from die to die.
    Last edited by ray_parkhurst; 05-01-2017 at 10:20 AM.
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    Thanks so much for the great detective work on these coins, guys!! Especially Eric and Ray!! These late '80's RPM attributions are among the toughest of all to get right! First off, they are usually very scarce and hard to get multiple examples to examine side by side, then you have all the zinc rot/split plating issues and somewhat limited attribution photo's and die markers for many of them.

    I will savor this small, but significant advancement in the RPM knowledge base and all I had to do was sell a few coins - !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_parkhurst View Post
    Open the two files you want to use for the overlay
    Select the secondary image that will overlay on the other
    Perform Layers-->Flip Vertical
    Perform Edit-->Select All
    Perform Edit-->Copy
    Select the primary image
    Perform Edit-->Paste into new layer
    Select Layers-->Layer Properties
    Adjust Opacity to your liking
    If the overlay needs position adjustment:
    -Select the layer it is in
    -Click on the image and move it to correct placement
    If the overlay needs rotation:
    - Select the layer it is in
    - Select Layers-->Rotate/Zoom
    - Rotate until it is in correct orientation
    Iterate position and rotation adjustments until both are correct
    Select File-->Save As
    Choose the destination folder
    Enter desired file name
    Select JPEG in the pulldown menu
    Adjust slider to desired Quality level and press OK
    Select Flatten
    Open saved file and decide if it is OK
    If not:
    - Select File-->Undo (this will "unflatten" the image)
    - Go back and correct whatever you don't like

    EDITED TO ADD:

    I realized you may have been asking about how to do an animated overlay. If so, let me know and I'll go through the steps.
    Ray, thank you for the step by step on the Paint.net, it really helped my little brain!

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    I had lot of problems following the directions in this thread. Here is what I had to do with Paint 4.2.4:

    Open the paint program
    Pick File: from the drop down pick: Open
    Pick your first photo to over lay - once that shows at the top, Near "Effects"
    Then pic "File" again: from the drop down pick: New
    White screen will open up: go to your photo's and drag the photo you want to over lay into the box
    Now both photo's show next to ""Effects""
    Pic - This will show on the screen - Add new Layer
    Then these directions will work:

    Perform Layers-->Select All
    Perform Edit-->Select All
    Perform Edit-->Copy
    Select the primary image
    Perform Edit-->Paste into new layer
    Select Layers-->Layer Properties ""Your Photo should have a revolving square around it - means the images are stacked on top of each other""
    Adjust Opacity to your liking
    If the overlay needs position adjustment:
    -Select the layer it is in
    -Click on the image and move it to correct placement
    If the overlay needs rotation:
    - Select the layer it is in
    - Select Layers-->Rotate/Zoom
    - Rotate until it is in correct orientation
    Iterate position and rotation adjustments until both are correct
    Select File-->Save As
    Choose the destination folder
    Enter desired file name
    Select JPEG in the pulldown menu
    Adjust slider to desired Quality level and press OK
    Select Flatten
    Open saved file and decide if it is OK
    If not:
    - Select File-->Undo (this will "unflatten" the image)
    - Go back and correct whatever you don't like

    EDITED TO ADD:

    I realized you may have been asking about how to do an animated overlay. If so, let me know and I'll go through the steps.
    Last edited by eaxtellcoin; 01-11-2020 at 11:30 AM.

 

 

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