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    That is an awesome clash... The only one listed for 1887, on the MAD site, is the VAM-3A http://www.maddieclashes.com/adc-100c-1887-01/ I wonder if JC Stevens does attributions for the MAD??? Your images are excellent enough to use!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfines69 View Post
    That is an awesome clash... The only one listed for 1887, on the MAD site, is the VAM-3A http://www.maddieclashes.com/adc-100c-1887-01/ I wonder if JC Stevens does attributions for the MAD??? Your images are excellent enough to use!!!
    Thanks Jim!! Clashes are common as dirt with Morgans but less so with letter transfer but still hundreds of different ones even with letter transfer. I do like the triple clashes though, the more extreme the better. The "E" clash under the tailfeathers are what command a premium though.

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    The VAMs put something about how variety people think and value coins.

    What I mean is...

    As a cent variety collector I tend to value things the most that were on the die when it was made like doubled dies and RPMs. Maybe because we base so much on the numbering systems we use. Other things like chips, cracks, clashes, die wear, things that look funny like flying Ds, etc... We tend to ID but not really value them because they aren't a die variety that was on the die when it was made. (at least I'm guilty of that bias)

    The Morgan collectors are into VAMs. Vams didn't limit to RPMs or doubled dies in their numbering system. Vams are collected and valued by rarity and how neat they are more than if it was truly a die variety on the die when it was made. If some die made interesting coins they gave them a Vam number.

    It makes me think, we get biased by numbering systems and value cents in a biased way. For example, if the books and the original CPG listed some cracks and things like the flying Ds and gave them numbers then we might be collecting differently and thinking differently.

    Thinking aloud, does anyone else think that is an interesting difference about how we collect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyEd View Post
    The VAMs put something about how variety people think and value coins.

    What I mean is...

    As a cent variety collector I tend to value things the most that were on the die when it was made like doubled dies and RPMs. Maybe because we base so much on the numbering systems we use. Other things like chips, cracks, clashes, die wear, things that look funny like flying Ds, etc... We tend to ID but not really value them because they aren't a die variety that was on the die when it was made. (at least I'm guilty of that bias)

    The Morgan collectors are into VAMs. Vams didn't limit to RPMs or doubled dies in their numbering system. Vams are collected and valued by rarity and how neat they are more than if it was truly a die variety on the die when it was made. If some die made interesting coins they gave them a Vam number.

    It makes me think, we get biased by numbering systems and value cents in a biased way. For example, if the books and the original CPG listed some cracks and things like the flying Ds and gave them numbers then we might be collecting differently and thinking differently.

    Thinking aloud, does anyone else think that is an interesting difference about how we collect?
    I think this occurs with any type of collecting but the major difference in Morgans and Lincolns is every Morgan is a VAM and has it's own number or if not yet numbered will be a new discovery and get it's own number. As far as worth with them I have noticed that some are based on rarity which is ever changing as do the number of VAMs changes. Considering the vast number of VAMs, over 5000 that I'm aware of it is a very different type of collecting, with sets and groups but still similar in some ways.

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    Sounds reasonable to me Ed... I'm a little different - If I like it I keep it regardless of denomination!!!
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