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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_parkhurst View Post
    Jim...the most glaring difference between the two IMO is the lack of doubling on the tip of the 4 on the original coin vs the plate coin. While the MM's look different to me, apparently they are not enough different to be convincing. However, the doubling on the 4 is very different, please take a look and comment.
    I am not sure if on the Coin In Question (CIQ) it has a struck thru or it is circ wear but there appears to be some displaced metal on the date... The 4s angled bar of the CIQ looks as if it took a small hit as there appears to be an indentation on the bar where it juts out slightly to the west... On both the CIQ and the plate coin on the 4s vertical bar NE corner is a lite indentation and a small split that looks to be from the DD??? While not glaringly obvious on the CIQ there are separation lines on all of the numbers... Unfortunately they are either struck thru or have suffered circ wear... Almost forgot - inside the 4 at the top corner appears to be a die ding or abrasion visible on both coins???
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    I don't see displaced metal, struck thru, hits, or wear, only the effects of die doubling.

    To further this point, I did an animation of only the 4 of the date. As you can see, the DDO-006 has significant widening of the horizontal, including notching at the tip of the 4. The CIQ does not show this extra width or notching. Both show extra width on the vertical bar. The extra widths and notching are classic die doubling characteristics, and since the CIQ does not have the same characteristics as the DDO-006, it cannot be from the same die.

    46D DDO 4 Compo.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_parkhurst View Post
    I don't see displaced metal, struck thru, hits, or wear, only the effects of die doubling.

    To further this point, I did an animation of only the 4 of the date. As you can see, the DDO-006 has significant widening of the horizontal, including notching at the tip of the 4. The CIQ does not show this extra width or notching. Both show extra width on the vertical bar. The extra widths and notching are classic die doubling characteristics, and since the CIQ does not have the same characteristics as the DDO-006, it cannot be from the same die.

    46D DDO 4 Compo.gif
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    I did some pointer pics to show you what I am seeing... I think there are a couple of markers also... Hopefully this helps us clear it up a bit... I put some notes on the pics and color coded the pointers... Nothing like a good puzzle... The knub on the 4s inside angle bar and the strange shape of the 6s west side tail may be hub or master die related... I looked thru some of the 46s on Wexlers http://doubleddie.com/1200240.html CC http://www.coppercoins.com/diesearch.php and VV http://varietyvista.com/02a%20LC%20R...Ms%201946D.htm There are numerous different varieties with the same distortions!!!


    Added - The pointer pics are now in place... No idea why I did not upload them??? Chock it up to old age Sorry about that Ray!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfines69 View Post
    I did some pointer pics to show you what I am seeing... I think there are a couple of markers also... Hopefully this helps us clear it up a bit... I put some notes on the pics and color coded the pointers... Nothing like a good puzzle... The knub on the 4s inside angle bar and the strange shape of the 6s west side tail may be hub or master die related... I looked thru some of the 46s on Wexlers http://doubleddie.com/1200240.html CC http://www.coppercoins.com/diesearch.php and VV http://varietyvista.com/02a%20LC%20R...Ms%201946D.htm There are numerous different varieties with the same distortions!!!
    Hi Jim...you did not include the pointer pics...are you able to share them?
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