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Originally Posted by
VAB2013
Me too Jon!
Thanks for all your help on this one Viv and teaching me some new stuff!! Well, if nothing else it not a bad Ed system coin.
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Originally Posted by
VAB2013
....Ahhh... don't feel ..... that's a bad word! You are gaining knowledge!!!
Viv, so true and I like the way you think. That is exactly what we are doing every day, "Gaining Knowledge".
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Originally Posted by
jfines69
The only thing about the 73s that are easy to distinguish from others is the rev... Really big FG and a real skinny Abe
The letters on the 73 obv are thick on a normal die just like the 82 large dates are... I think Vivien nailed this one... I still do not get the classes except for the 6... I guess because it is extra thickness like my skull
Thanks for looking Jim!! Another one of my wild goose chases!!
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Originally Posted by
makecents
Thanks for looking Jim!! Another one of my wild goose chases!!
S'ok Jon, those 73's have sent me on a few wild goose chases too!!
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I'm reluctant to disagree with people cause they probably have more experience, but I do see it. I have to assume that people who have examined far more coins than I are correct so I'll save the coin and take it out again when my eye are better at knowing what I'm looking at and usually after more experience I'll see that they were correct. That being said, I see what you are talking about on the "IN GOD". Although "extra thickness" doesn't create notches, if the die in question has something, than the coins struck with the die will have it as well. The "N" of "IN" on 002 does appear to have a notch on the lower right, and so does your example. The lower left of GOD looks extra fat as does your example. And I see it on "LIBERTY"; the "E" looks right to me and it has some pretty strange characteristics to the top bar. So the 2pac side looks fat but the Biggie Smalls side kinda falls off on thickness, making me think you just had to move the light around cause I can kinda see how with perhaps some different lighting I could see it on the TRUST. The date I must admit doesn't look like 002 to me, mostly due to the thinness of the "1" of date. I would hold onto it and save up lots of 1973-P. Then in a few months take another look. Also, I compared with coppercoins.com which is awesome but sometimes Wexler will have varieties for a date that even coppercoins doesn't have listed. Maybe check his site doubleddie.com. They will usually have different die markers as well. Or have die markers for different die states as they usually examined and photographed different examples of the variety. coppercoins may have examined only an early die state and have markers for that, and John Wexlers site may have late die state photos and examples so its good to check as many sites as you can. Not trying to get your hopes up and I know 1973 does look fat anyway. Look up the classes of doubled die and just write it down and tape it to the wall next to where you coin search; that's what I did. Then when you are looking up varieties and it says what class it is, you can look at your cheat sheet. You won't need to after a few times but I keep mine up there anyway. The classes explain everything about a second and sometimes even third hubbing a die may have received to produce these varieties. Also explains why we don't find the same kind of DDs after certain dates because of changes to the process. Nobody is ever going to think you're dumb for not knowing something cause we are all here to learn and maybe share what we know. If my replies seem long, its not cause I think you need lots of help, it's just cause I love to write about this topic. GREAT IMAGES by the way!
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Originally Posted by
AdamW
I'm reluctant to disagree with people cause they probably have more experience, but I do see it. I have to assume that people who have examined far more coins than I are correct so I'll save the coin and take it out again when my eye are better at knowing what I'm looking at and usually after more experience I'll see that they were correct. That being said, I see what you are talking about on the "IN GOD". Although "extra thickness" doesn't create notches, if the die in question has something, than the coins struck with the die will have it as well. The "N" of "IN" on 002 does appear to have a notch on the lower right, and so does your example. The lower left of GOD looks extra fat as does your example. And I see it on "LIBERTY"; the "E" looks right to me and it has some pretty strange characteristics to the top bar. So the 2pac side looks fat but the Biggie Smalls side kinda falls off on thickness, making me think you just had to move the light around cause I can kinda see how with perhaps some different lighting I could see it on the TRUST. The date I must admit doesn't look like 002 to me, mostly due to the thinness of the "1" of date. I would hold onto it and save up lots of 1973-P. Then in a few months take another look. Also, I compared with coppercoins.com which is awesome but sometimes Wexler will have varieties for a date that even coppercoins doesn't have listed. Maybe check his site doubleddie.com. They will usually have different die markers as well. Or have die markers for different die states as they usually examined and photographed different examples of the variety. coppercoins may have examined only an early die state and have markers for that, and John Wexlers site may have late die state photos and examples so its good to check as many sites as you can. Not trying to get your hopes up and I know 1973 does look fat anyway. Look up the classes of doubled die and just write it down and tape it to the wall next to where you coin search; that's what I did. Then when you are looking up varieties and it says what class it is, you can look at your cheat sheet. You won't need to after a few times but I keep mine up there anyway. The classes explain everything about a second and sometimes even third hubbing a die may have received to produce these varieties. Also explains why we don't find the same kind of DDs after certain dates because of changes to the process. Nobody is ever going to think you're dumb for not knowing something cause we are all here to learn and maybe share what we know. If my replies seem long, its not cause I think you need lots of help, it's just cause I love to write about this topic. GREAT IMAGES by the way!
Thanks Adam!! I need all the help I can get, so you type away any time you think you can help. I appreciate the info and will keep all in mind.
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Here's a great thread about Class VI Doubled Dies written and illustrated by Jason Cuvelier and edited by Mike Diamond! http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...=Class+doubled
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Originally Posted by
VAB2013
Thank you for the link Viv!! I need to do a little studying!!
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Originally Posted by
makecents
Thank you for the link Viv!! I need to do a little studying!!
You're welcome Jon! We all need to keep studying, no matter how long we've been doing this! Otherwise, our mind and searches start getting stale
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