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  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #1

    [Example] Incomplete Punch

    I have shot George's 1969-D Incomplete Punch. I have included an assortment of detail shots.

    My shots show that the surface is undistorted and the coin is flat. Both sides show the punch marks. Punch marks are visible on the sides of the coin (partially on the reverse side). Punch marks are present at a noticeable depth of the coin. Parts of the design that are missing (where the planchet was punched), are not squished into the recessed areas indicating post strike damage. The missing area of the planchet appears pre-strike, as the design shows metal flow toward the thin incomplete area. The incomplete punch matches the circumference of a cent.

    Thanks for sending the coin George.





    Last edited by jcuve; 09-04-2012, 05:13 PM.



    Jason Cuvelier


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  • cimperialis
    Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1968

    #2
    Awesome photos, Jason. Another great example thread to refer back to. One question- when you say it matches the circumference of a cent, you do mean a blank planchet, right? Just trying to clarify.
    -Sean
    Search started in Sep 2011. 913,650 cents searched as of 9/24/13.

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    • Roller
      Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 6975

      #3
      Awesome photos Jason (as usual). Thanks for posting this with illustrations. Certainly a good tutorial. George

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      • simonm
        Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 6398

        #4
        Great pictures as always Jason and congrats to George for this cool find!
        My old coin album.

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        • Maineman750
          Administrator

          • Apr 2011
          • 12069

          #5
          Nice pics Jason.....Ray Parkhurst better watch out
          https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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          • jcuve
            Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
            • Apr 2008
            • 15458

            #6
            Thanks everyone. I had fun shooting this coin.



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            • liveandievarieties
              TPG & Market Expert
              • Feb 2011
              • 6049

              #7
              That's a really rare error, I think most of us know that from our volume of searching. Great photos Jason, you really have a knack for highlighting the educational details. Thank you.
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              • Tucker2000
                Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 283

                #8
                Great photo of the coin and a nice cent it is. Would like to have that in my collection . Thanks for your lesson.
                Johnny

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                • jcuve
                  Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 15458

                  #9
                  These are very rare. The only way I'll see another is if one is sent to me for verification or I buy one. I don't expect to find one searching...



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                  • Roller
                    Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 6975

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jcuve
                    These are very rare. The only way I'll see another is if one is sent to me for verification or I buy one. I don't expect to find one searching...
                    I did not find it in a roll either Jason. I bought a small collection of "wheats" from the local craigslist ($27 for $125). It is 90% wheat but there are some Memorials (I'm going through them slowly. Wheats drive me nuts.) This one was in a tube marked "damaged cents". I love the hunt for these reasons.

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                    • Chugly
                      Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 2358

                      #11
                      Awesome photo's Jason! I was lucky to catch George's initial posting of this coin and thought that he might have found an incomplete punch at the time. Unfortunately, I wasn't real confident in saying what I was looking at then. Now, thanks to you, I will recognize another one in an instant thanks to your photo tutorial. Too bad it may take me searching millions cents to have any hope of ever seeing one again.

                      Anyone what to speculate on a value for this coin? I initially thought around $200, but I'm thinking way more than that now.

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                      • jcuve
                        Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 15458

                        #12
                        I was told it was rare, but not coveted. Something like $65-100.



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                        • Roller
                          Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 6975

                          #13
                          I agree with Chugly (of course I am biased). At the same time, Jason is probaly right about the lack of interest in this type of error at this time.

                          Looking at it objectively, though, "very rare" and "$100" is an oxymoron that I can't get my mind around.

                          1-The coin is unique and has been sitting in a tube probably since the year of mintage. (The person I bought the lot from started collecting some 50 years past, quit about 10 years later, and put the collection in storage.) None other has surfaced, that we know of, in the interim.
                          2- The error is severe. It is not just a barely visible line as it is with some others I have seen. There is probably no more than a mm keeping it from being perforated at its deepest crevice.
                          3- I have not seen any Lincoln cent with this kind of error. ( I did not even know about it until Chugly pointed it out but I have been trying to gather information ever since.)
                          4- The coin is in decent shape for its age.

                          All of that adds up to this coin going into the bank box not to see the light of day again until there is a market that appreciates it. (Maybe there never will be one.)
                          Just my humble opinion.

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                          • Maineman750
                            Administrator

                            • Apr 2011
                            • 12069

                            #14
                            I feel your disappointment George...but rare doesn't equate to demand...but nothing wrong with putting it back and hoping that changes one day .
                            https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                            • jcuve
                              Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 15458

                              #15
                              There is line between errors that sell for over, let's say $200, and those that don't. Some of them seem like they should sell for higher. Recently I saw a decent weak strike sell for under $30 - a counterbrockage under $60 and a double struck rotated in collar for $100. All slabbed. All are naked eye obvious, rare errors. On the flip side, an actual die cap, a double denomination, a triple struck coin and a foldover strike will go way further than $200.

                              Maybe certain errors just need more exposure? Or we need to try and create more error collectors?



                              Jason Cuvelier


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