Overlays

[ray_parkhurst]

Open the two files you want to use for the overlay
Select the secondary image that will overlay on the other
Perform Layers-->Flip Vertical
Perform Edit-->Select All
Perform Edit-->Copy
Select the primary image
Perform Edit-->Paste into new layer
Select Layers-->Layer Properties
Adjust Opacity to your liking
If the overlay needs position adjustment:
-Select the layer it is in
-Click on the image and move it to correct placement
If the overlay needs rotation:
- Select the layer it is in
- Select Layers-->Rotate/Zoom
- Rotate until it is in correct orientation
Iterate position and rotation adjustments until both are correct
Select File-->Save As
Choose the destination folder
Enter desired file name
Select JPEG in the pulldown menu
Adjust slider to desired Quality level and press OK
Select Flatten
Open saved file and decide if it is OK
If not:
- Select File-->Undo (this will "unflatten" the image)
- Go back and correct whatever you don't like

EDITED TO ADD:

I realized you may have been asking about how to do an animated overlay. If so, let me know and I'll go through the steps.

[eaxtellcoin]

OK Thanks Ray,
I didn't see any help really on the web last night, so I did it this way - "See Pics"
I'm not sure they are layered exactly on top of each other though. The last pic is either a different variety or not layered correctly.

[ray_parkhurst]

OK Thanks Ray,
I didn't see any help really on the web last night, so I did it this way - "See Pics"
I'm not sure they are layered exactly on top of each other though. The last pic is either a different variety or not layered correctly.

Coin #3 is not aligned correctly. It is at a little higher magnification as well so it needs to be scaled to fit with the others.

It looks to me like they are all the same variety.

[jfines69]

OK Thanks Ray,
I didn't see any help really on the web last night, so I did it this way - "See Pics"
I'm not sure they are layered exactly on top of each other though. The last pic is either a different variety or not layered correctly.

Those are nice pics... I know you were not asking about the variety but to me Coin 1 does not match Coin 2 and 3... Coin 2 and 3 look to be the same but Coin 1 appears to be slightly farther north and east compared to the others... Also the splits in the serifs of Coin 1 appear to be in a slightly different location... If I over stepped just let me know!!!

[ray_parkhurst]

I aligned, scaled, and cropped the images close as I could, and then did an animated overlay. Coin 1 is an earlier die state, with coins 2 and 3 having been ground such that the field is higher, but it still looks to me like they are the same die, but I'm not 100% convinced. For sure 2 and 3 are the same as jfines69 stated.

[onecent1909]

I think they are the same die, just different die states
take the first set of pics and toggle between pic 1 to pic 2 back to pic 1 and so on and so on.
Everything lines up and looks correct
Nice job with the overlays, both of you
now I want to try it.

[eaxtellcoin]

Actually coin #1 is an attributed copy of Coneca's 1989-D RPM#4. Coin#2 and #3 were purchased From John Shields - At the time I thought coin #2 could be RPM#8, so John sent me two examples that he thought were the same die. Long story - short. James Wiles let me know that RPM#8 would probably be removed as another die state of RPM#4. I just wanted to make sure all these examples matched and we were not removing a valid RPM.
Ray - all three pictures were taken L=600px H=400px. and then tried to make sure all three were cropped at exactly the same place. All three were taken at exactly the same size and same time one after the other.

My original thought was coin #1 & 2 were the same. Coin #3 was a little different position - That is why having more then one copy of a die is very important to accurately determining the die #.

[ray_parkhurst]

Yeah, after staring at the animation for a while (they are hypnotizing...) I'm now 100% they are the same die, with #1 appearing to be earlier die state.

If all three photos were taken same time, it's very odd that the 3rd photo came out with a higher magnification. The first 2 are the same, just slightly offset, but the 3rd is for sure different. It's about 3.4% higher magnification, enough to make the MM appear to be in a different location, but when the #3 image is shrunk to match the others they all line up nicely.

Did you take these photos with an autofocus camera? Only way the magnification can be the same is if the camera focus is the same, otherwise there can be slight differences.

[jfines69]

Cool... Excellent show on the die states... That animated overlay really clinches that these are indeed all the same die... Thanks Ray!!!

[eaxtellcoin]

Did you take these photos with an autofocus camera? Only way the magnification can be the same is if the camera focus is the same, otherwise there can be slight differences.

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No. All three photo's were taken with your set up and my Nikon with control my Nikon
the zoom could have changed when I tried to focus with your set up. all done maually. The Nikon does not have auto focus on the camera set up I bought from you.

[silver1985]

Looks like you guys have this figured out, but here is what I came up with in my analysis.

[ray_parkhurst]

No. All three photo's were taken with your set up and my Nikon with control my Nikon
the zoom could have changed when I tried to focus with your set up. all done maually. The Nikon does not have auto focus on the camera set up I bought from you.

OK, makes sense. With the setup you have, as you change focus by moving one of the standards (camera or lens), the magnification will change. Only way to keep the magnification the same is to move the two standards the same amount.

Looks like you guys have this figured out, but here is what I came up with in my analysis.

Your analysis shows that the 3rd image is at a higher magnification than the others. The 19 came from the master hub (I believe) so it can't change size from die to die.

[Chugly]

Thanks so much for the great detective work on these coins, guys!! Especially Eric and Ray!! These late '80's RPM attributions are among the toughest of all to get right! First off, they are usually very scarce and hard to get multiple examples to examine side by side, then you have all the zinc rot/split plating issues and somewhat limited attribution photo's and die markers for many of them.

I will savor this small, but significant advancement in the RPM knowledge base and all I had to do was sell a few coins - !

[makecents]

Open the two files you want to use for the overlay
Select the secondary image that will overlay on the other
Perform Layers-->Flip Vertical
Perform Edit-->Select All
Perform Edit-->Copy
Select the primary image
Perform Edit-->Paste into new layer
Select Layers-->Layer Properties
Adjust Opacity to your liking
If the overlay needs position adjustment:
-Select the layer it is in
-Click on the image and move it to correct placement
If the overlay needs rotation:
- Select the layer it is in
- Select Layers-->Rotate/Zoom
- Rotate until it is in correct orientation
Iterate position and rotation adjustments until both are correct
Select File-->Save As
Choose the destination folder
Enter desired file name
Select JPEG in the pulldown menu
Adjust slider to desired Quality level and press OK
Select Flatten
Open saved file and decide if it is OK
If not:
- Select File-->Undo (this will "unflatten" the image)
- Go back and correct whatever you don't like

EDITED TO ADD:

I realized you may have been asking about how to do an animated overlay. If so, let me know and I'll go through the steps.

Ray, thank you for the step by step on the Paint.net, it really helped my little brain!

[eaxtellcoin]

I had lot of problems following the directions in this thread. Here is what I had to do with Paint 4.2.4:

Open the paint program
Pick File: from the drop down pick: Open
Pick your first photo to over lay - once that shows at the top, Near "Effects"
Then pic "File" again: from the drop down pick: New
White screen will open up: go to your photo's and drag the photo you want to over lay into the box
Now both photo's show next to ""Effects""
Pic - This will show on the screen - Add new Layer
Then these directions will work:

Perform Layers-->Select All
Perform Edit-->Select All
Perform Edit-->Copy
Select the primary image
Perform Edit-->Paste into new layer
Select Layers-->Layer Properties ""Your Photo should have a revolving square around it - means the images are stacked on top of each other""
Adjust Opacity to your liking
If the overlay needs position adjustment:
-Select the layer it is in
-Click on the image and move it to correct placement
If the overlay needs rotation:
- Select the layer it is in
- Select Layers-->Rotate/Zoom
- Rotate until it is in correct orientation
Iterate position and rotation adjustments until both are correct
Select File-->Save As
Choose the destination folder
Enter desired file name
Select JPEG in the pulldown menu
Adjust slider to desired Quality level and press OK
Select Flatten
Open saved file and decide if it is OK
If not:
- Select File-->Undo (this will "unflatten" the image)
- Go back and correct whatever you don't like

EDITED TO ADD:

I realized you may have been asking about how to do an animated overlay. If so, let me know and I'll go through the steps.