Error Other | 1946p, more than PSD? (Y in relief on reverse)

[Petespockets55]

Another for your viewing & sluething. I found this wheat in a BWR.
I saw the thin & weak devices on the obverse and flipped it, out of habit, to look at the corresponding area on the reverse.
I thought my eyes were playing tricks when I saw the Y on the rim and then the raised right angle lines as well.
See if you can tell which impression was made first. The LWC reverse or the geometric lines.
The small circular area at ONE lines up with the weakness above RTY.
And as always, thanks for looking and any comments.

Edit- On closer inspection, it looks like the wheat cent was made first. Some elements made me wonder which had been struck first.

[VAB2013]

Cliff, that is bizarre. Really good photos! Do you think something fell between the two dies? I don't know that's a big Y... Can you give us a close up at IGWT?

[GrumpyEd]

Cliff, that is bizarre. Really good photos! Do you think something fell between the two dies? I don't know that's big Y... Can you give us a close up at IGWT?

Oh, you know better Viv

It clearly was not something between the dies, the obv is smashed as if on cement not in a die when some mystery item with the letters (incuse if I see it right) was mashed over the rev which brought up the raised letters.

A wild guess, whatever it was probably wasn't a coin because most aren't incuse.
As always with PSD, it's tough to say exactly what or why because the possibilities are limitless.

[Petespockets55]

Thanks Ed and Viv.
I was hoping someone might recognize the design (foreign coin?), because the mint has produced coins for multiple countries (LINK). I was also just trying to see if anyone could tell which occurred first, if indeed the impression was a device from a die intended for a foreign coin.

The coin is tapered, with the area at the Y being the thinnest (+-75% of normal). I was definitely perplexed that the obverse area opposite the Y had any design element left at all with how strong the Y is. I thought that would have been flattened completely with normal PSD.

At first I thought maybe a Y from LIBERTY(?) from a larger denomination US coin but the angular geometric design and lack of other letters ruled out that scenario.
There is definitely some PSD going on but it may be impossible to say which came first, the secondary impression or the obvious PSD, or if they occurred simultaneously.

A curiosity to me with the mystery design element in relief.

Once again, thanks to all for any/all comments.

[Petespockets55]

......... the obv is smashed as if on cement not in a die when some mystery item with the letters (incuse if I see it right) was mashed over the rev which brought up the raised letters.

A wild guess, whatever it was probably wasn't a coin because most aren't incuse.
As always with PSD, it's tough to say exactly what or why because the possibilities are limitless.

The letters and geometric design on the coin are in relief (raised), so you are correct that the letters on the "item" would have been incuse.

[Petespockets55]

Cliff, that is bizarre. Really good photos! ........ Can you give us a close up at IGWT?

Thanks Viv & Jon. Wish I could get more consistency like this with the phone.

I will try to get some more images of IGWT later tonight. (no design elements in this area though that I can see)

[makecents]

Very cool looking and nice pics Cliff!!

[jfines69]

Looks like PSD to me also... The Y and design elements are similar to the Japanese Yen... The coin is also out of round at the edge where the damage is... That also leads me to PSD... Cool looking regardless!!!

[GrumpyEd]

I was hoping someone might recognize the design (foreign coin?), because the mint has produced coins for multiple countries

What makes it harder is that since neither side of it was in a die when it was damaged there's no reason to think it was done at the mint. It could be from anything with that incuse pattern, a coin or something else. To figure it out you need to find a mystery item with that pattern.

[Petespockets55]

Thanks again to all.
I just don't come across much PSD that's raised and wanted some really experienced eyes on this one.

[mustbebob]

I think I'm gonna blow peoples mind with what I think this is. Ready?? I don't think those are letters at all. Did you notice that the rim is missing in that area? Maybe what we think are letters is actually the sheared remnants of the rim. How's that for a wild guess and No...I don't have any of those magic mushrooms round here

[VAB2013]

Well Bob, this makes very good sense to the very odd anomaly on this wheat! I'm in on the idea... your post reminded me of Grace Slick's White Rabbit song, minus the mushrooms also Thank you Bob!

[VAB2013]

Oh, you know better Viv

It clearly was not something between the dies, the obv is smashed as if on cement not in a die when some mystery item with the letters (incuse if I see it right) was mashed over the rev which brought up the raised letters.

A wild guess, whatever it was probably wasn't a coin because most aren't incuse.
As always with PSD, it's tough to say exactly what or why because the possibilities are limitless.

LOL Ed, I think it's cute that you can pick on me Yes, you are right, I do know better (sometimes ) but I just could not fathom what type of "something" would have an incuse design like that. I was up doing laundry late last night and I couldn't stop thinking about Cliff's puzzling coin! I'm on board with Bob now! Thank you Bob!

[Petespockets55]

Bob, thanks for the suggestion but I respectfully disagree. It is definitely a raised device of some kind and it occurred after the Lincoln die struck it. And the coin is slightly out of round.
I'm 99% sure it is PSD (like a vise job with maybe a very small NYC token with the Y cut out?) and not overstruck by a die at the Philly mint for foreign currency (but I can't resist looking into that also.)
The coin edge is thinnest at the "Y" from some type of compression.

I'll get some images of that rim a little later tonight.
Thanks again to every one for their input.

[GrumpyEd]

LOL Ed, I think it's cute that you can pick on me Yes, you are right, I do know better (sometimes ) but I just could not fathom what type of "something" would have an incuse design like that. I was up doing laundry late last night and I couldn't stop thinking about Cliff's puzzling coin! I'm on board with Bob now! Thank you Bob!

I was afraid someone would miss the LOL on his post and say "really, how much is it worth?".

Weird stuff does happen I guess the key thing to think of on these is if brockage happens at the mint then the other side should be perfect since it's in a die. I was looking for a link to share, it reminds me of a coin on minterrornews. I think it was an Ike dollar, it had a cent implanted into it at the mint, it turned out like a euro coin with the copper cent stuck in it making a brockage incuse image into the Ike and the Ike pattern over the outer part of the cent. The other side of the Ike was normal.

I couldn't find a link but you might if you look

I did find an article showing an Ike that had a quarter planchet struck into it. Notice that the other side is fine because it was in the die.

Article link