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ok here is best photos I could get as i said coin is dirty.Iv never seen or heard of an 89 with an 88 reverse.but I sure think this looks like one.what do think? and is this even possible.thanks for looking
hasfam
06-12-2011, 12:46 PM
Well, interesting to say the least. Although the G is missing the cross bar, which could be from a number of reasons, the upper part of the G still gives it away as being a -006. With an 005, the FG for the 1988, the top of the G will extend completely over to the right, going just beyond the vertical line. Where the upper part of the G on the 1989 with extend over just to the middle of the vertical line, which is what you have here. I'm going to have to say its the 1989 version. Just my opinion though.
Steven
06-12-2011, 12:52 PM
This is one you may want attributer to have and in hand look see.
This is one you may want attributer to have and in hand look see.
I agree, your coin really needs an in-hand examination.
Thanks for posting.
Regards
Billy
1sgret
06-12-2011, 01:16 PM
It sure looks to be as same as the listed in "Strike it Rich with Pocket Change" THIRD (3rd) Edition on page 89 Photo Courtesy of Brian Allen 1989 with Reverse of 1988. Value is listed Uncirculated $10.00.
Added Note by authors: Due to the skeptic concerns, this variety commands less of a premium, but valuable regardless.
I have never ran across one of these and have been looking for quite some time. Last one submitted for attribution was determined to be a die abrasion.
Best of Luck and I would get it attributed,
hasfam
06-12-2011, 01:49 PM
Good luck with it. I really hope I'm wrong.
copperlover
06-12-2011, 02:06 PM
My call would be to send it in for attribution. This could be the coin called "SASQUATCH" because some said it was like Bigfoot,very elusive. If it is valid then we can say Bigfoot has been located. Keep us posted.
Lucien
Maineman750
06-12-2011, 03:32 PM
Looks like RDV-005 from here, I think the top of the G is too long for an RDV-006.
I guess I will send it in . its dirty but if you could see it in hand you can sure tell the FG is an 88 at least it sure looks to be.
georoxx
06-13-2011, 04:20 AM
If it's the real deal, the person in "Strike it Rich with Pocket Change" who ascertained it's value at $10 needs to find a new hobby. (I don't care what the condition.)
Honestly, based on the pics, I don't see anything that I would use to completely discount this coin as being a -005. (It could very well be... which is why the "in-hand" look is a must.)
-George
snowman
06-14-2011, 06:46 PM
dont want to be the party pooper but our own David C has sent one of these to Dr James Wiles a few years ago
and Dr Wiles debunked it ...maybe yours is the same way as the one in the pics :tinysmile_hmm_t2: snowman
http://www.varietyvista.com/1989PRDV005%20cent.htm
Maineman750
06-14-2011, 06:54 PM
Thanks for the pics snowman, actually I'm more convinced than ever that the OP's coin shows a longer hook on the G than the overabraided one you posted.
georoxx
06-15-2011, 04:57 AM
I think we'll just have to wait and see. No picture can really suffice in lieu of an in-hand look, but if you are a betting man (or gal) with decent reason and some sort of grasp on mathematical odds and percentages, then you shouldn't be very surprised when it comes back after having been diagnosed as RDV-006. But this (as they say in baseball) is why they play the game. This coin could be the first documented discovery of a 1989 LC with the reverse of an '88 (RDV-005).
The odds, though...
-George
jfines69
06-15-2011, 05:13 AM
The odds are 1 in how ever many 89s were struck... LOL!!!
Maineman750
06-15-2011, 05:14 AM
Very true georoxx ! For some reason, this is one I would bet on despite the odds.I had actually thought of making an offer to buy before attribution. As for odds, the same could be said of the 88 doubled ear we recently witnessed.My feeling is that many varieties go unoticed simply because most people don't look for them. WAM's and RDV-006's were thought to be rare but as time goes by, the rarity factor decreases as more people search and discover.The time after a discovery is really what shows rarity.
Maineman750
06-15-2011, 05:16 AM
" The odds are 1 in how ever many 89s were struck... LOL!!! "
Assuming all 89's have been checked...don't think that's the case :LOL_Hair:
georoxx
06-15-2011, 05:52 AM
The fact of the matter is... as one has never been documented, the odds very well could be 0. (In other words, one may not exist.) The difference between the -005/-006 debate and the '88 doubled ear..? Don't know for sure. You make a good point. Nothing is impossible. I believe that as well. But I would be surprised if many (any?) on this forum don't take a gander at the FG every single time they examine an '88 or '89. (I do..!)
-George
My feeling is that many varieties go unoticed simply because most people don't look for them.
I couldn't agree with you more. To find the hidden treasures one must think and look outside the box.
Billy
atarian
06-15-2011, 07:19 AM
ill go on the limb here. I think its a strait up 89 REV of 88. The G has all the makings of it. I dont see anything right now that would tell me otherwise.
Maineman750
06-15-2011, 07:43 AM
atarian,with two of us on that limb,think it will break faster ? But I agree, after looking at zillions of 88's for the RDV-006,the G just pops out at me.The only other possibility I see is that if a crack somehow developed at the end of the G and made it look longer.Polishing wouldn't do that.
georoxx, I am definitely checking my 89's now :nerd:
1sgret
06-15-2011, 07:49 AM
Only one way to find out and that is to have it attributed. :tinysmile_classes_t
I have looked at all my 1989's trying to come across one and have only found an abraded die, however my opinion, I think there are some in circulation and will continue to look along with the 1988's.
Happy Hunting and let us know what is going on after you have it looked at.
ok is best person to send it to?
sorry WHO is best person to send it to ?
1sgret
06-15-2011, 06:31 PM
I will PM you.
atarian
06-15-2011, 07:03 PM
atarian,with two of us on that limb,think it will break faster ? But I agree, after looking at zillions of 88's for the RDV-006,the G just pops out at me.The only other possibility I see is that if a crack somehow developed at the end of the G and made it look longer.Polishing wouldn't do that.
georoxx, I am definitely checking my 89's now :nerd:
If we break the limb im an emt and heal us. Isn't the a f g space or a f Lincoln memorial space issue we should also look for??
Maineman750
06-16-2011, 03:11 AM
Yes, but it is easier when compared to an RDV-006 side by side. Even the position of the G is another thing I look for. I should try to make a photo with lines to show what I mean.
DoubleYou
06-16-2011, 10:07 AM
Well, after I thoroughly enlarge and examine and compare the photos and determine with 90% resolution that this is indeed a bona fide 1989 reverse of 1988, RDV-005, I read the comments. Now I see I have to stick my neck out on a limb to believe that.
I believe it is RDV-005.
Whew! Glad I got that weight off my shoulders!
An in-hand exam would be optimal.
hasfam
06-16-2011, 10:46 AM
If this proves to be a 1989 RDV-005, and I hope it is even though my eyes tell me different, would this be the 1st? Or have others been found already?
1sgret
06-16-2011, 10:51 AM
If this proves to be a 1989 RDV-005, and I hope it is even though my eyes tell me different, would this be the 1st? Or have others been found already?
Rock: Go back to post #5 on this Thread for an answer.
hasfam
06-16-2011, 11:02 AM
Thanks Joe. I should have reviewed again before adding new comments. Sometimes I can't keep up with the threads and posts. For instance, I've been racking my memory trying to remember a post that showed a rare DDR with a tootsie roll effect on the initials. Can't remember the date to save my life. Anyway, thank again.
liveandievarieties
06-16-2011, 11:28 AM
ROCK! I think you're talking about the 1994 Class V DDR. I've sold 2 of these, it's one of the most exciting Doubled Dies I've seen come to light in the last several years.
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k532/liveandievarieties/FG.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k532/liveandievarieties/rica.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k532/liveandievarieties/nt.jpg
hasfam
06-16-2011, 11:35 AM
YES, that's it Chris. Thanks. I haven't run across any, obviously, but I like to burn these images into my mind so I can fall asleep imagining the process of finding one.:LOL_Hair:
Thanks again.
1sgret
06-16-2011, 12:02 PM
Thanks Joe. I should have reviewed again before adding new comments. Sometimes I can't keep up with the threads and posts. For instance, I've been racking my memory trying to remember a post that showed a rare DDR with a tootsie roll effect on the initials. Can't remember the date to save my life. Anyway, thank again.
I do the same thing so don't feel bad. Sometimes I read too fast also and miss the answer to my question.:LOL_Hair:
I do have to ask the matter of condition of the coin if in fact it does come out to be what I hope it is will not affect any value ?
Maineman750
06-16-2011, 06:05 PM
tjw, you can worry about that if it comes back attributed. That part (grading/slabbing) will probably need to go to ANACS but we will help you decide when the time comes.Let's worry and hope it is what we hope it is first.
liveandievarieties
06-16-2011, 06:46 PM
tjw- IF your coin is slabbed as what we hope it is- as a one-of-a-kind example, it won't matter TOO much what condition it is, as long as there are no major problems with the coin which cause it to get a genuine holder. It'll be an amazing find....
copperlover
06-16-2011, 08:56 PM
I have some 89's that I have saved,some I have thrown out. I have been looking for this coin since my search for RDV006. I am sure other examples will pop up but will be much harder to find than the 88 /89 reverse.
Lucien
well I can tell you if you want to find one send the kids to the store . lol this how I came across this one my 12 year old got it in change . ( He said here dad i don't think it's much but i know you will check it anyway) glad he did't toss in the trow away jar.
Maineman750
06-17-2011, 09:06 AM
That's cool tjw, my daughter hands me her change to check before it goes in her piggybank.
liveandievarieties
06-17-2011, 09:24 AM
lol, I guess we all have that common thread! My wife hand me any change she's received, and knows where the "searched" change pile is. Just kind of took it for granted until I realized it's not normal....
But I've been told that for years!
If it come's back to be the real deal .I'm going to have get him some thing pretty special .
snowman
06-17-2011, 06:57 PM
tjw - so are you sending it someone ? and if so who ? Snowman
tjw - so are you sending it someone ? and if so who ? Snowman
Yes I'm sending it in as soon as i get back from California . If it is what I hope it is . we are going to have a party I think.:tinysmile_hmm_t:
Maineman750
06-19-2011, 04:53 PM
Just a thought, but it would be cheaper to send to an attributer,then to a TPG if the attributer agrees on RDV-005.Somebody correct me if my thinking is off.
Just a thought, but it would be cheaper to send to an attributer,then to a TPG if the attributer agrees on RDV-005.Somebody correct me if my thinking is off.
Thats where it's going is to an attributer . first when i get back im sending it in.
liveandievarieties
06-19-2011, 05:06 PM
Lol, this reads like "Who's on first?".....
Which attributer are you planning on sending the coin to tjw?
liveandievarieties
06-19-2011, 05:12 PM
Great call, we'll all look forward to this unfolding. Can't wait to hear more, good luck!
jfines69
06-20-2011, 05:29 AM
With me on the crowded limb I hope it's strong cause that looks like a RDV-005... Nice elongated "G" as compared to the RDV-006!!!
atarian
06-20-2011, 09:47 PM
With me on the crowded limb I hope it's strong cause that looks like a RDV-005... Nice elongated "G" as compared to the RDV-006!!!
if this limb gets any more crowded im gonna start charging an entrance fee.$5.00 or a WAM cent per entry. Rubber hand stamp for re-admittance.
Cdiddle
06-22-2011, 09:13 AM
Hope the limb doesn't break, I'm on it with ya.
simonm
06-22-2011, 06:47 PM
I'll take the premium penthouse limb at the top of the tree...complete with minibar! :LOL_Hair:
Oh my, something tells me a lot is riding on this.
Billy
DoubleYou
06-23-2011, 12:51 AM
Oh my, something tells me a lot is riding on this.
Billy
:LOL_Hair:
No pressure, Billy, no pressure!
Maineman750
06-23-2011, 02:33 AM
Well, since our EMT climbed on, we are in real trouble if the branch breaks. I think he needs to climb back down and wait below :LOL_Hair:
jfines69
06-23-2011, 09:19 AM
Well, since our EMT climbed on, we are in real trouble if the branch breaks. I think he needs to climb back down and wait below :LOL_Hair:
I think we should grab onto the trunk and hold on for dear life... LOL!!!
wOW I hope it's a strong limb.Ok back from the trip and going to mail it out Monday . As was said only way to find out .