1956 D/D rpm 18

[Brad]

My latest purchase is a 1956 D/D rpm 18. In your opinion does that look like a secondary D under the primary D.

Here are some places to look for additional pics:
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1956&die_id=1956d1mm020&die_state=lds

http://conecaonline.org/image/1956DRPM018b.JPG

[Pat]

My latest purchase is a 1956 D/D rpm 18. In your opinion does that look like a secondary D under the primary D.

Here are some places to look for additional pics:
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1956&die_id=1956d1mm020&die_state=lds

http://conecaonline.org/image/1956DRPM018b.JPG


I have one of those I just found last night.. To me it looks like just a die crack possibly..

[Steven]

It is apparent that there has been some study on this variety by some very noteworthy experts and I personally would not dispute their findings, but if it were unknown and I had picked one, I would have leaned toward a die gouge as first glance, due to the lack of definition of the mark, then ask the experts. I don't have one and have not had the opportunity to have one in hand. At this point I could not say yes, no or maybe. :crossedlips:

LOL, That didn't help at all did it:D
Steven

[RWBILLER]

Hi:
I have been holding off to purchase on of those - to me it just dont look right. The costs can be quite high,
Just my opinion.
Roger

[jupiterkm1]

I don't see the lower split serif for the 018? Glare?

[jcuve]

That vertical line below is rather curious. Has there been an EDS found? CONECA doesn't list one. That would probably clear it up, that is unless it is a die gouge that appeared later in the life of the die and then there couldn't be an EDS.

[Brad]

I don't see the lower split serif for the 018? Glare?

The Secondary D is completely south of the Primary mintmark...Just Like RPM 8.

[fugnchill]

If you guys are referring to Coppercoins.com then the OP is DDO#20 not #18. Number #8 is the big boy (strong secondary) with the wide spread S.E.

Lestrrr

[fugnchill]

After looking at Brad's poll post http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4428
I see that you're looking at Coppercoins.com and Coneca for the numbers...my bad. I always look at Coppercoins and determine from there. I'm saying this publicly/outloud so others don't do this. I've been wrong several times because I only look at one site. The pictures and numbering system are different and the pictures can look different.

Lestrrr

[dvn]

I voted "Definitely, I have no doubt" this is a genuine RPM variety and is assigned in my "C" files as 1956-D & D 1c CRPM-007. Originally reported back in the summer of 1997 at an NENA coin show and was first illustrated in an old SDDCA "Double Talk" Jan. 1998 newsletter in an article penned by John A. Wexler. This variety will also be illustrated in my upcoming A Detailed Analysis of Lincoln Cent Varieties 1909 - 1958.

Below are side-by-side photos. Left photo distinctly shows the vertical bar to include the upper left serif remnants. Additionally, the upper curvature and a small segment of the right side curvature remnants are also visible.

Right photo is the same but with the primary "D" mint mark used as an overlay and superimposed over the remnants match perfectly with the mint mark high points.

Billy

http://www.dvnmagazine.com/1956dcrpm007.jpg

[1sgret]

Great overlay and pretty convincing.

[coppercoins]

The coin in the first post on this thread is from a die I have not had a good chance to study. I don't know exactly what it is, but I am leaning toward die gouge. Like in other examples I have noted, this is NOT a die chip nor is it a die crack. It is soft, which negates it being either of these.

[grnwavdav]

I think it is a RPM. It reminds me of 1958D-1MM-017.

[copper_poisoning]

I just had a question in regards to Chuck's post above. How does one get the chance to study a particular die? Can anyone request to see a die or do only the experts get to evaluate dies? Just curious.

Greg

[mustbebob]

I don't think he meant the actual 'die' Greg. You don't get to study those. What Chuck meant was a coin struck from a particular die.

[copper_poisoning]

I see. Thanks Bob. Obviously I misinterpreted Chuck's post.

Greg

[coppercoins]

Umm, yeah. Nobody outside the mint sees the actual dies. What I (and others) mean when they study a die is to look at a number of coins struck by the same die. Because the coins are an exact negative copy of the die that struck them, this is a very accurate statement.

[dvn]

I'm convinced this exhibits partial "D" remnants separated south. I have an earlier die state that shows the upper curvature. The later die states just show mostly a vertical bar.

Billy (dvn)

[DoubleYou]

It is an RPM, D & D South. No doubts about it.