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Shingpumps
12-23-2007, 09:11 AM
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/Shingpumps/S4021641.jpg
car10
12-23-2007, 11:28 AM
This website will tell you everything you want to know about die trails:
http://www.1793.com/resources/traildies/traildies.htm
Yours is very pronounced.Very nice.
Steven
12-23-2007, 02:48 PM
If that one is a 1996P it is more than likely a 1996P 1DER-005T. A nice find for a trail die. I have sent several coins to Mr. Neff over the past year or so for his attribution as trail dies or wavysteps. He has done extensive study with these dies and has compiled an outstanding collection as the page David posted attests wihth some great photos.
Steven
This website will tell you everything you want to know about die trails:
http://www.1793.com/resources/traildies/traildies.htm
Yours is very pronounced.Very nice.
I read most of the site. I still don't understand what causes the trails. I know that it is the result of the squeezing process, but why?
What year is the coin Shingpumps?
car10
12-23-2007, 03:14 PM
I read most of the site. I still don't understand what causes the trails. I know that it is the result of the squeezing process, but why?
What year is the coin Shingpumps?
It says 1998 in the title.
Steven
12-23-2007, 03:21 PM
I didn't see the date posted. I guess I should have slid the photot to the left a bit. :squigglemouth:
Steven
Steven
12-23-2007, 03:36 PM
Shingpumps,
BJ Neff lists two similar 1998P dies. 1998P 1DER-026T and 1998P 1DER-028T.
You may want to look at them for die marker comparisons to see what you have . You may have one for that year that has not been listed as yet. Sure looks like my 96 though.
Steven
Shingpumps
12-23-2007, 05:42 PM
I read most of the site. I still don't understand what causes the trails. I know that it is the result of the squeezing process, but why?
What year is the coin Shingpumps?
My bad everyone it is a 1994 P. I've got to do somthing about all these coins clutered around my desk.
Shingpumps
12-23-2007, 05:47 PM
This website will tell you everything you want to know about die trails:
http://www.1793.com/resources/traildies/traildies.htm
Yours is very pronounced.Very nice.
Nice link.
It looks like: 1994P-1DER-023T Yours may be an early die state
Here is the pic from the site:
Shingpumps
12-23-2007, 06:07 PM
It looks like: 1994P-1DER-023T Yours may be an early die state
Here is the pic from the site:
I checked the die markers. Thats it. MDS. Thanks
car10
12-23-2007, 07:09 PM
I've got to do somthing about all these coins clutered around my desk.
Let me give you the address to mail them to...
Let me give you the address to mail them to...
Let me give you the address plus money for shipping..:)
car10
12-24-2007, 06:56 AM
:LOL_Hair:
Let me give you the address plus money for shipping..:)
wavysteps
12-24-2007, 06:57 AM
I will agree, it does look like you have 1994P-1DER-023T this is one of the stronger trail dies.
To answer Brad's question; there is a theory on how trails and wavy steps are formed and it will be coming out in ERRORSCOPE fairly soon and after that, it will be in the wavy step trail files, new for this coming year with added entries. I would like to add that due to the way these anomalies are formed and when they are formed, it will constitute a new type die variety. Also, contrary to some beliefs, these are not doubled dies, however, they are design element extensions, which defer from design element duplication (doubled dies).
BJ Neff
Shingpumps
12-24-2007, 07:12 AM
I will agree, it does look like you have 1994P-1DER-023T this is one of the stronger trail dies.
To answer Brad's question; there is a theory on how trails and wavy steps are formed and it will be coming out in ERRORSCOPE fairly soon and after that, it will be in the wavy step trail files, new for this coming year with added entries. I would like to add that due to the way these anomalies are formed and when they are formed, it will constitute a new type die variety. Also, contrary to some beliefs, these are not doubled dies, however, they are design element extensions, which defer from design element duplication (doubled dies).
BJ Neff
So is this the same effect?
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/Shingpumps/S4021631.jpg
[quote=wavysteps;831]I will agree, it does look like you have 1994P-1DER-023T this is one of the stronger trail dies.
To answer Brad's question; there is a theory on how trails and wavy steps are formed and it will be coming out in ERRORSCOPE fairly soon and after that, it will be in the wavy step trail files, new for this coming year with added entries. I would like to add that due to the way these anomalies are formed and when they are formed, it will constitute a new type die variety. Also, contrary to some beliefs, these are not doubled dies, however, they are design element extensions, which defer from design element duplication (doubled dies).
BJ Neff[/quo
So is this the same effect?
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/Shingpumps/S4021631.jpg
I'm starting to think Shingy has no life.. j/k. It's christmas eve yo'z.. :)
Shingpumps
12-24-2007, 07:51 AM
I'm starting to think Shingy has no life.. j/k. It's christmas eve yo'z.. :)
Pretty much don't. Found everything I have from rolls. Alot of time spent on pennies. My girl hates it, until I find a 99' wide or a 92' close.