hi all

[lasvegasteddy]

sweet site here

i'm mostly on pcgs forums just dropping in here too

my passion for lincolns lay mostly in the 1909 to 1916 matte proofs coupled with the 1964 to 1967 sms series

i love looking through bank boxes too for many things with a 1992-d close am topping my hopes

[grnwavdav]

Hi and Welcome!
I'm hopeful for a 1992 D close AM someday also. Just got to keep on huntin'. Welcome aboard.:)

[Daggit]

Welcome, lots of good people here.

[kloccwork419]

Welcome....!!!!!!!!!!

[Wheat Cents]

Welcome LCR Forum...

[JeanK]

Hey LCR newbie! I hope you stick around and show us some pictures of your Lincolns.
Welcome!
JeanK

[car10]

Welcoe to the forum.

[lasvegasteddy]

Hey LCR newbie! I hope you stick around and show us some pictures of your Lincolns.
Welcome!
JeanK



a lil embarrassing as i've only 3 lincolns currently but here they are...
1st is my 1910 pcgs pr64r/b
http://i35.tinypic.com/105qybp.jpg



2nd is my 1912 pcgs pr64r/b
http://i33.tinypic.com/2dccni8.jpghttp://i38.tinypic.com/inbuyw.jpg


3rd is my 1915 proof at tha factory for assessment...he's just to ***y for his pr63brn
http://i37.tinypic.com/k2fsr8.jpg

[kloccwork419]

WOW..I love the 1912. Toning is great!!!!

[Brad]

Cool coins. Are you aware of the fact that there is something called a 1910 VDB matte proof?

[lasvegasteddy]

Cool coins. Are you aware of the fact that there is something called a 1910 VDB matte proof?

please by all means elaborate

the only matte proof outside of the commons i know is the 1917

[fugnchill]

Hi All,

I've been wondering about these for some time now. Are the old proofs easy to identify as proofs even if they have circulated? I have a 1917 with extremely sharp detail and dark chocolate color but with some corrosion. I've always wondered is there a chance it was a proof. Nice coins LasVegas!

Lestrrr

[lasvegasteddy]

Hi All,

I've been wondering about these for some time now. Are the old proofs easy to identify as proofs even if they have circulated? I have a 1917 with extremely sharp detail and dark chocolate color but with some corrosion. I've always wondered is there a chance it was a proof. Nice coins LasVegas!

Lestrrr

it is proclaimed the 1917 matte proof exists

a real up to date book is to be released by january's fun show in which kevin flynn has imaged many very close and clear

of importance is lack of die striations and sand pebbled textures

if in doubt you're only your humility away from sending yours off to a known pro...likes of brian wagner specializes in them at bwrc...brian was rick snows partner and is a great guy

never give up hope and if it turns out you have a 1917 mpl then comes money concerns as you'd be holding something very valuable there...6 figuire would be my guess

[1sgret]

Check your red book for 2009 on page 114. Note the Proof (a) - See footnote just above the pictures. This should explain the Matte Proofs.

Also if you check Heritage Auction Archives I think you will find sales of Matte Proofs there. (I believe this is where I saw some sales of Matte Proofs).

[lasvegasteddy]

of note too the pcgs forums make great reading and i'm even giving one away tomorrow...thursday cut off to enter..a pcgs matte proof...one only be a member and look on the giveaway forum as i know many will never afford one as trends are crazy these days

[fugnchill]

Thank you for the information LasVegas. It turns out that Mr. Wagner lives very close to me. I checked my 1917 and I don't see any striations or the sand pebbling. I went to Wagners website and he has some good pictures of the proofs. I may just contact him and ask to take a look at my coin. I doubt that it is but hey, ya never know.

Lestrrr

[lasvegasteddy]

Thank you for the information LasVegas. It turns out that Mr. Wagner lives very close to me. I checked my 1917 and I don't see any striations or the sand pebbling. I went to Wagners website and he has some good pictures of the proofs. I may just contact him and ask to take a look at my coin. I doubt that it is but hey, ya never know.

Lestrrr

every lincoln lover ought to look at his hall of fame

http://www.bwrarecoins.com/index.php?view=halloffame

[CCC]

Ok, I looked. I found a interesting coin with a designation that I don't understand. Perhap's someone here knows. A 1936 P Type 2 coin is listed. What is Type 2?

Thanks

[fugnchill]

I believe the difference between the two are the finish. Type 1 has a satin finish while the Type 2 has a brilliant finish

[CCC]

I believe the difference between the two are the finish. Type 1 has a satin finish while the Type 2 has a brilliant finish

Thank you for the clarification, I didn't know that. I was a bit confused because in some price guides they list Varieties as Type 1 and Type 2. Thank you

[lasvegasteddy]

was those some lookers in his hall o fame

[CCC]

was those some lookers in his hall o fame

I sure did like the 1910 Pr 67. Now that one would be a gift.

[lasvegasteddy]

a little background is those matte proofs were an imported finish (from france)that the mint thought collectors would like...something new

collectors didn't as they are hard to tell apart from circulation issued unc's

something along this line happened in 1936
they introduced the satin finish and brilliant finish as a final plea to add something different to us but it was rejected too

so in 1936 there are 2 types with the satin finish ones being the fewer minted

then the mint gave up on us

[lasvegasteddy]

the 1914 is the one i truly love as it's almost a cameo matte proof

[CCC]

Now my idea of having a 36 satin or brilliant would be on my wish list. I have seen these sold as Proof's which now makes me wonder. Should have bought them. Very interesting stuff teddy.

[lasvegasteddy]

of note too the 1916 matte proof is considered to be the best representation of the lincoln cent

as engravers refined and refined untill the 1916

to look up close at one it's like a sculpture and is needle sharp even to the hairs on his beard...see image below...that's what victor saw and wanted them to be

i know we all cringe here as to what happened looking at the silly cartoons produced today of one of our most profound mint releases honoring abe
http://i37.tinypic.com/x37oyg.jpg

[CCC]

That one is sharp, crisp and clear. Nice one.

[kloccwork419]

WOW...VERY NICE!!!!!..and toned too...lol..Like having a beautiful wife..Then seeing she can cook too..lol

[JeanK]

Boy oh boy Teddy, I sure wouldn't be embarrassed if those were my only Lincolns.
They are great coins, and that 1912 is stunning!
JeanK

[RWBILLER]

Hi:
I love mnatte proof coins - especially one that have not been wizzed or dipped in the past - I dont think I ever say a red one - yours look very nice with proper toning etc.
Hope they are slabbed and CAC'd.
Thanks
Roger

[Brad]

Supposedly there are 1910 Matte Proof Cents that were struck by old left over reverse dies that were used to strike the 1909 VDB Matte Proofs. The VDB can been seen on these 1910 matte proofs. However it is very weak. There are three known examples. I got this info from Shane Anderson's book - "the complete guide to lincoln cents".

[CCC]

WOW...VERY NICE!!!!!..and toned too...lol..Like having a beautiful wife..Then seeing she can cook too..lol

Since I don't have a Matte Coin, I will take the latter. Beautiful and a great cook.

[lasvegasteddy]

thanks brad...sincerely,

i'm moreso a village idiot as i've yet to read any coin related books other then the red book and most of the grading and counterfiet detection by pcgs

in a way it keeps me in a humble size