Which RDV is this?

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  • Pat
    Founding Member, LCR Forums
    • Nov 2007
    • 1160

    #1

    Which RDV is this?

    Here are some RDV pictures. Which is RDV005 and which is RDV006?
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  • Steven
    Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 2691

    #2
    I believe all of those to be RDV-005. Just my opinion.
    Steven

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    • Pat
      Founding Member, LCR Forums
      • Nov 2007
      • 1160

      #3
      Here's the Obverses If it helps.
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      • Steven
        Member
        • Dec 2007
        • 2691

        #4
        Well,
        They fooled me then with them being 90s. Looking at the distance from the memorial and the shape of the intitials looked to me to be RDV-005. This may be part of the problem resulting with the delisted RDV. When the die becomes worn or abraided the design changes a bit. I guess I need to study some "more" on these.

        Steven

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        • Pat
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          • Nov 2007
          • 1160

          #5
          Originally posted by Steven
          Well,
          They fooled me then with them being 90s. Looking at the distance from the memorial and the shape of the intitials looked to me to be RDV-005. This may be part of the problem resulting with the delisted RDV. When the die becomes worn or abraided the design changes a bit. I guess I need to study some "more" on these.

          Steven
          Just because the obverse is 1990 shouldn't affect the initial thoughts on the reverse. Should the obverse change your mind about the reverse when looking for RDV's? Here's some more pics of the 1990D Reverse.
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          • Pat
            Founding Member, LCR Forums
            • Nov 2007
            • 1160

            #6
            Here's images from a 1990D Reverse RDV-006 (at least 99% sure it's RDV006)
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            • Pat
              Founding Member, LCR Forums
              • Nov 2007
              • 1160

              #7
              And Finally Side by Side..
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              • Steven
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                • Dec 2007
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                #8
                It should change my mind because of the year it should not be possible but the next step would be, if I was that sure of myself just looking at the photos, I would suggest that Dr. Wiles may wish to see them. I just looked at several 89, 90 and once the abraision becomes a factor it is a bit difficult to determine. The leg of the G on the RDV-006 begins to wear away and with further abraision it starts to look like the RDV-005. This abraision I believe is what Dr. Wiles discussed as the factor resulting in the delisting of one of the RDVs. AND I am no where near the level he has attained but I am plugging along.
                Steven

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                • Pat
                  Founding Member, LCR Forums
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 1160

                  #9
                  I suppose in the latest image I just attached I see the flatness of the lower G and the space between the F/G.. It is a tough one..

                  P.S. Can you tell I got my scope camera back today? lol!
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                  • Steven
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                    • Dec 2007
                    • 2691

                    #10
                    I see the delima the die abrasion causes. I would think that even with that Dr. Wiles and maybe others have a formula for placement of those initials by now. I think I may have seen a grid or something similar concerning this very issue but can't remember where. David may know.

                    I would have to say anything can happen but I really don't think the RDV-005 will go into '90.
                    Steven
                    Last edited by Steven; 12-27-2007, 06:25 PM.

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                    • Pat
                      Founding Member, LCR Forums
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 1160

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Steven
                      I see the delima the die abrasion causes. I would think that even with that Dr. Wiles and maybe others have a formula for placement of those initials by now. I think I may have seen a grid or something similar concerning this very issue but can't remember where. David may know.

                      I would have to say anything can happen but I really don't think the RDV-005 will go into '90.
                      Steven

                      Yes about the scope... Now that the holidays are winding down I may be able to start thinking seriously about one.
                      LOL.. A 1990 RDV005 would be cool though.. You and I think would agree on that..
                      Pat Sherman
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                      • Steven
                        Member
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 2691

                        #12
                        One other thing maybe to consider with these is the RDV-005 upper curve of the G looks to go further to the east over the top of the leg. And the RDV-006s seem to stop just short of that point.
                        Steven

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                        • car10

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Steven
                          I see the delima the die abrasion causes. I would think that even with that Dr. Wiles and maybe others have a formula for placement of those initials by now. I think I may have seen a grid or something similar concerning this very issue but can't remember where. David may know.

                          I would have to say anything can happen but I really don't think the RDV-005 will go into '90.
                          Steven
                          I think the grid was on the CONECA forum, possibly posted by AgCollector if I remember correctly.

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                          • Pat
                            Founding Member, LCR Forums
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 1160

                            #14
                            Here's some super high resolution images:

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                            Image 2
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                            • Steven
                              Member
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 2691

                              #15
                              Here are two overlayed, the RDV-005 and the RDV-006. These would just be two examples. Every coin will have subtle differences with the die wear but you can see that some of these appear very close. the distance from the building is further on the (5) as well as the upper curve of the G extenting further over the leg of the G. Thickness of the letters is also a factor. The leg of the G is not as prominent on this (6) concerning the lower portion of the leg that usually looks to come to a point south with less wear. This is just to show how close they are and can be a lot closer in appearance. Die markers are going to be a factor in attribution as well.

                              Just another opinion of mine.

                              I think I may have confused myself again

                              Anybody else have thoughts on this or am I way off on this.

                              Steven
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