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  • bella
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 883

    #1

    need help attributing.

    Looked on cc . The mm is realy close to the 5. The 010 looks realy close with the two split serifs, but mm looks more to the west. Also thought about maybe 004, looks like mm is in different location also? Didn't see any of the markers.
  • jpl6332

    #2
    Can you please check and see if there are numerous die scratches under and above Lincolns chin and is there a die crack in Lincolns hair moving from NE to SW?

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    • seal006
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 2330

      #3
      IMHO You have an RPM not listed on CC. Nice find
      "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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      • bella
        Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 883

        #4
        Didn't see the scratches under chin and looked for the die crack in hair line didn't see that either.

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        • jpl6332

          #5
          Don't pay much attention to my ramblings as mye sight sucks but there are not a lot of RPM's listed for this date, but I am thinking it looks a lot like 1950D-1MM-002 but if it is then its an early die state or more probably Sean is right, I would wait and see what Bob or Jason have to say. Yes thats wjhat I would do.

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          • seal006
            Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 2330

            #6
            This is a tilted RPM, the 002 is to the north and shows two anomalies separated and above the primary. The OP coin does not. As I have stated about RPMs before, just like retail, Location, Location, Location. I cannot find a match for the location of the MM.
            "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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            • jcuve
              Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
              • Apr 2008
              • 15458

              #7
              This is a minor tilted RPM. Not on CC (and not listed, nor will it be listed by CONECA). Pictures are clear and it is a nice find. I would send Bob a PM to see if he would list it.



              Jason Cuvelier


              MadDieClashes.com - ErrorVariety.com
              TrailDies.com - Error-ref.com - Port.Cuvelier.org
              CONECA

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              • mustbebob
                Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                • Jul 2008
                • 12758

                #8
                I tried to narrow it down and was unable to also. This one would need to be examined in hand, and I think it is definitely listable for the coppercoins files.
                Bob Piazza
                Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                • seal006
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 2330

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jcuve
                  This is a minor tilted RPM. Not on CC (and not listed, nor will it be listed by CONECA). Pictures are clear and it is a nice find. I would send Bob a PM to see if he would list it.
                  Why is this?
                  Last edited by jcuve; 10-15-2012, 03:43 PM.
                  "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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                  • jcuve
                    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 15458

                    #10
                    Wile is not listing minor, or even decent new tilted RPMs. I have seen ones much stronger than this not get listed.



                    Jason Cuvelier


                    MadDieClashes.com - ErrorVariety.com
                    TrailDies.com - Error-ref.com - Port.Cuvelier.org
                    CONECA

                    (images © Jason Cuvelier 2008-18)___________________

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                    • seal006
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 2330

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jcuve
                      Wile is not listing minor, or even decent new tilted RPMs. I have seen ones much stronger than this not get listed.
                      That gives me the info I need. Thank you. This is all the more reason NOT to join CONECA. No photos, not listing new varieties. All from an organization that is supposed to be the leader behind this area of the hobby. One can get so much more from Copper Coins without spending a dime, and not have to deal with all the politics.
                      "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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                      • bella
                        Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 883

                        #12
                        Thx everyone will send in to someone on CC for attributing.

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                        • jcuve
                          Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 15458

                          #13
                          I seem to have started something I did not intend. Wiles is free to attribute what he chooses. To his defense, there are just so many tilted RPMs that cataloging them all would be monumental. Every attributer has to draw a line somewhere. The Wexler files seem to list everything, Wiles is more selective and CC seemed to be in between.



                          Jason Cuvelier


                          MadDieClashes.com - ErrorVariety.com
                          TrailDies.com - Error-ref.com - Port.Cuvelier.org
                          CONECA

                          (images © Jason Cuvelier 2008-18)___________________

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                          • seal006
                            Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 2330

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jcuve
                            I seem to have started something I did not intend. Wiles is free to attribute what he chooses. To his defense, there are just so many tilted RPMs that cataloging them all would be monumental. Every attributer has to draw a line somewhere. The Wexler files seem to list everything, Wiles is more selective and CC seemed to be in between.
                            Jason, you only reaffirmed what myself and others on this forum have believed. CONECA is an organization which receives funds from it's memberships. Copper Coins and Wexler's site are free. Would it not make sense for what is considered to be the leading organization devoted to errors and varieties to be more than what it seems to be? I respect Wiles, and CONECA, in general. I just always felt they have fallen WAY SHORT of what they should. With the membership they have had and currently do have, CONECA has no excuse for not being more informative than these free info type site. This is just an observation. I just always wondered why you would have all of these variety listings without photos to show what they are. CC has done it for years, and better than everyone else.
                            "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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                            • mustbebob
                              Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 12758

                              #15
                              Something else folks need to consider is that coppercoins ONLY deals with cents. CONECA deals with all denominations. Whether you like him or not, Dr Wiles attributes a whole lot more than I do by virtue of that very fact.
                              Our goal at coppercoins was to be the best at Lincoln cents, and I think we are. To be fair, you can't compare the two on anything except Lincoln Cents.
                              Bob Piazza
                              Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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