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willy13
01-19-2013, 06:10 PM
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/536976_10200346224319482_1727115923_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/603026_10200346224599489_410916281_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/397373_10200346229479611_1100576878_n.jpg
There looks to be a doubled capital, above lincoln on the right? Or is it something else? Thanks for looking!

onecent1909
01-19-2013, 06:18 PM
i see a normal coin... the bays to the left and right of Lincoln have that "extra" look on all coins as far as I know

willy13
01-19-2013, 06:29 PM
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/317961_10200346350202629_1374349321_n.jpg
Hear is a close up picture from my cheap USB microscope.

onecent1909
01-19-2013, 06:33 PM
do you mean the curved part to the right and above Lincoln...I did not see that originally..you might want to tell us where to look and what it is we are looking for...

I see now you did ...sorry

mustbebob
01-19-2013, 06:34 PM
That anomaly has been discussed here before. I can not find the thread though. Maybe someone else can?

onecent1909
01-19-2013, 06:37 PM
I have seen this before... last time was on here..I committed about it.. maybe someone will remember the tread ... I do not know what the outcome was....

onecent1909
01-19-2013, 06:40 PM
the one I remember
http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19566

Yours maybe the wexler's ddr...I am at a hotel and cant look it up right now...goodluck

willy13
01-19-2013, 06:42 PM
do you mean the curved part to the right and above Lincoln...I did not see that originally..you might want to tell us where to look and what it is we are looking for...

I see now you did ...sorry
Thats alright, if I was good with computers I would of put an arrow pointing to it, like others do on this forum.:)

onecent1909
01-19-2013, 06:48 PM
I am used to the typing first ...then the pics...
nice coin if it is wexler ddr 7

willy13
01-19-2013, 07:21 PM
Found this link, it does look to be WDDR-007, thank for the tip onecent1909!
http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?p=117017

jcuve
01-19-2013, 10:52 PM
That's it. Wexler lists it but not sure anyone else does.

onecent1909
01-20-2013, 07:12 AM
I do not believe copper coins does.... You maybe able to send it in... have them authenticate it.. and add it to the list.... good luck

simonm
01-20-2013, 10:22 AM
I do not believe copper coins does.... You maybe able to send it in... have them authenticate it.. and add it to the list.... good luck

Bob does not believe it to be a doubled die.

It really can't be a doubled die for a couple of reasons. First, there is nothing in that shape in the memorial bays. Secondly, this is a complete arch versus a partial. For example, if the upper part of the 7th column was doubled to the west, so wouldn't the upper part of column 6. It wouldn't be doubled to the east. It seems that the most likely scenario would be die deterioration

onecent1909
01-20-2013, 01:23 PM
Bob does not believe it to be a doubled die.


That was on a 1996 p...and the anomaly was totally different... take a look at the coin in that thread ...it looks like the 6th bay is hubbed right and the 7th hubbed left
this is a 2004...to me..kinda looks like a die chip...but I can see the arch being hubbed down and left originally also.... but I haven't examined anything like this... and found out I was wrong last time..... I just think it might be worth contacting coppercoins... and seeing if they might want to examine and list or debunk........

mustbebob
01-20-2013, 01:26 PM
I believe this one (the 2004) has merit, but I have been up and down on this one. It is not on coppercoins because I can not be certain that it is a doubled die, contrary to what John and Billy say.

copperlover
01-20-2013, 08:17 PM
I would think that the areas adjacent to the anomaly should also show some kind of doubling if it were a DDR.

Lucien

onecent1909
01-23-2013, 08:33 PM
I would think that the areas adjacent to the anomaly should also show some kind of doubling if it were a DDR.
Lucien

I am not saying that it is a ddr or isn't...however... I do disagree with you statement... and here is why....look at the 2009 FY finger ddr's....a very small area doubled...my understanding is .. the hub(which has the design on it) is pushed into the die...which before this process is a cone shaped steel rod... the class VIII double die happens on the single squeeze presses by the hub and die not being exactly in alignment... one part of the die touches the hub.. then they snap into the correct alignment and the design is pressed into the die... if the original touch is at a spot where the correct alignment would have a blank area or a very near blank area (IE.. the field.. in between the bays...the most shallow part of the neck) the first touch will leave a design image behind...giving you... extra fingers,ears, thick or wide Y in liberty,lines from the columns by Lincoln sitting,etc with no other areas showing doubling ....I found a ddr on a New Mexico quarter...just a small hook and a line.. but it dose happen with this newer single squeeze class of doubled dies
please fill me in if I got something wrong or if someone disagrees with my explanation so I may learn...:)