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  • Wayne
    Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 1068

    #1

    2009 p fy ddr

    #3 on the Top Ten List.
    Coppercoins 1DR-007

    Wexler "Best Of Variety" WDDR-002

    FS-01-2009-802

    I found 8 of these in an original U.S.Mint Roll.



    Last edited by Wayne; 04-18-2013, 03:34 PM.
  • koinmon
    Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 2207

    #2
    Nice finds; I also pulled many from the mints LP2 Boxes.
    George

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    • tea-party
      Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 1091

      #3
      Nice find there Wayne..I did know they were still popping up ..
      (John) This is only one way to go in my world and that's forward, without a reverse!

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      • seal006
        Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 2330

        #4
        Nice find Wayne. Is that machine doubling on ONE CENT or is it glare?
        "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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        • Wayne
          Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 1068

          #5
          Thats just glare.

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          • seal006
            Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 2330

            #6
            Way cool, wow there were so many DD for the FY cents. Is it because of the large amount of devices?
            "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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            • seal006
              Member
              • Jun 2010
              • 2330

              #7
              Will, you completely misunderstood. The reverse design on the FY cents is the most, for lack of a better term, "busy" the Lincoln cent has ever had. There are more devices, and more multi level devices, all covering a larger amount of the surface area, with less field area. Devices are what shows doubling, not fields. Thus it stands to reason that the more devices covering a wider area would show doubling more than a flat field. Add that to the fact that the relief is so shallow would make even the slightest offset much more obvious.

              So, the amount of devices does not increase the number of doubled dies. It makes more doubled hubbings more visible than ever before.
              "If Free Speech stops when someone gets offended, it is not really Free Speech."

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              • Brad
                Founder: Lincoln Cent Resource

                • Nov 2007
                • 4949

                #8
                Billy Crawford had a post a while ago explaining this. It has to do with the conical shape of the dies before they are struck. I cannot find the post.

                I did find this thread: http://www.lincolncentresource.net/f...t=conical+kiss
                Brad
                Lincoln Cent Resource
                My PCGS Registry

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                • Scott99
                  Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 2068

                  #9
                  Nice find's! I just found one of these in terrible condition. lol
                  Matthew Sallee

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                  • jcuve
                    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 15458

                    #10
                    I'm not sure more devices help. The obverse isn't loaded, yet we see many DDOs. The 2009 EC saw many DDRs, yet the shield design has seen fewer even though there should be nearly as much to double.

                    Devices that are most frequently hub doubled during a single squeeze hubbing are centralized, and I agree with Crawford on his hot zone on a die face. Doubling is typically stronger in the center and gets weaker toward the periphery. There are exceptions of course.

                    It seems you need a device, or a raised part of the design on the hub, adjacent to a field or a lower part of the design. Being most modern doubled dies impact the same areas, it may also be tied into some quirk of the design and how the hub sits on the conical die face. We see RTY of LIBERTY and the first the digits of the date - diagonal from one another. But the 2009s are not often diagonal like this, they are concentrated in one region of each design. If it were just because of the sheer number of devices, I would expect to see DDRs on many other areas on the 2009 FYs, but we don't.

                    But really it would be hard to have an objected answer built on stats of recent designs by counting devices and looking at the listing numbers to see if there is a correlation between them, or not. So my response and any other is subjective. Though...I then drift over to the Roosevelt reverse which has very few DDR listings and a lot of devices.

                    I am babbling with the keyboard - I have more thoughts, ...but I am sick and need to go to sleep...
                    Last edited by jcuve; 04-19-2013, 09:30 PM.



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                    • BadThad
                      Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3010

                      #11
                      Nice finds, the 1DR-002 is still my favorite of all of them:

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