1952D date error?

[Gold Seeker]

A friend found this 1952 D and as you can see the 5 appears to be rotated, we can't find any info on this as any error ever listed, so I hoped there maybe someone here that has seen this error?

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg41/MeGoldSeeker/DSCF8045_zps331385f6.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/user/MeGoldSeeker/media/DSCF8045_zps331385f6.jpg.html)

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg41/MeGoldSeeker/1952dateerrorpenny_zps5ab3449b.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/user/MeGoldSeeker/media/1952dateerrorpenny_zps5ab3449b.jpg.html)

[penny man]

Someone w/ metalworking skill messed with it...

[jps23]

Is this coin under interrogation?

[GrumpyEd]

I think it's from one or 2 hits on the 5.
That coin looks like it was in the ground for a while, it probably got the hits that way.
It's not an error, it's damaged.

[Gold Seeker]

Pennyman,

Thanks for your reply, while that is a possibility, we don't seem to think that is the case, this penny was randomly found buried using a metal detector, no reason to be where it was found other than someone lost it.

If someone went though the trouble to alter the coin, they did a fine job of it and one would think they wouldn't just lose it by accident if they could pass it off as being a new error.

While we're not serious collector of coins, we both have a nice collect of rare coins found while metal detecting, but we aren't very knowledgeable in error coins, so I hope someone else has some info, or tell us how to proceed from here.

[Gold Seeker]

Is this coin under interrogation?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

[Gold Seeker]

I think it's from one or 2 hits on the 5.
That coin looks like it was in the ground for a while, it probably got the hits that way.
It's not an error, it's damaged.

Ed,

You're correct, if you look at my second post, it was found buried, but if you look at the photos enlarged you will see that it is indeed a rotated 5, not "hits".

[jps23]

I don't think there is any mint error that would cause an inverted 5.

[Gold Seeker]

jps23,

We are confused as to how this could happen as well, it's the reason I'm here in hopes that someone can help with this oddity, or guide us to someone that can help determine how this coin came to be, even if it is determine that it was in fact altered after minting!

[GrumpyEd]

Sometimes a hit or damage will sort of push something over and it looks rotated. Often the roll sealing or counting machines do it but I think on yours it was something else. Notice on this 1941 how it sheered the metal and moved it making it look rotated. I think it's a similar effect on the 5, maybe even one to the top bar and one to the lower curl. Then being in dirt it hides and blends it in and makes it harder to see.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/eagames1/dec09145.jpg

[Antiquity]

Looks like damage to me as well, nothing special, keep up the hunt though.

[Gold Seeker]

Thanks Ed,

Do you have the capability of enlarging the photos after you open them?

These photos are of good enough resolution that they can be enlarge a good bit and not distort the image, so if you or other members haven't done so, enlarge them and get a good look at them, I agree that it could be that the 5 was sheared off and rotated out of position, but it's not as apparent as with the 1941 you posted, the five looks like it has always been in this position, IMHO, but I'm not an expert on this subject.

[jps23]

Do you have the capability of enlarging the photos after you open them?


The 5 took a big hit at the top left.

[papascoins]

I am standing with Ed and Thomas on this one. It was definately damage that caused this digit to appear like a five or any other number. I cannot zoom in enough and keep the photo clear enough to say what it was, but I'm pretty sure it was minted correct unless a die-chip is involved.

[Gold Seeker]

Is this coin under interrogation?


JPS23,

You ask this question, could you or someone else explain what the term "interrogation" means when in context with the subject of possible error coins?

[jps23]

haha, it was a joke.

[Arjohn]

I think it is a light-hearted reference to the "spotlight" lighting in the photo... Looks like a set-up for Good Numismatist / Bad Numismatist interrogation:angel:

[Gold Seeker]

haha, it was a joke.


I think it is a light-hearted reference to the "spotlight" lighting in the photo... Looks like a set-up for Good Numismatist / Bad Numismatist interrogation:angel:

Thanks for the replies, not being knowledgeable on errors, I though it was some kind of ritual a new error coin has to go through:LOL_Hair:!!

Now that I understand the question the coin does look to be "under interrogation" the way my friend spotlighted it in the photo, but I don't think it's going to be doing any talking!!:crossedlips:

Thanks for all the responses, I greatly appreciate the expert advice/opinions given so far!

We would still like to ask if there is anyone knowledgeable in the southern Illinois area that we could get to take a look at this coin in person, I know it's hard to determine exactly what caused this 5 to move or to be in the position it's in from photos, so if we could get someone to look at this coin under good magnification would be great.

[jcuve]

The date took a hit, period. It looks like a hit.

To expand upon my comment to a degree, the Mint did not punch in dates into the dies after 1909, so there is no possible way one die could somehow end up with a rotated digit.

[jps23]

I know it's hard to determine exactly what caused this 5 to move or to be in the position it's in from photos,


I am 100% sure it is just a hit. I outlined the 5 here prior to the hit here:

[Arjohn]

I have to go with the experts here..... Learning what I have on how Cents are minted --- there is no way that date was punched that way. I have (even with my little experience) seen portions of coins moved around in ways that seem unexplained. I'd take it to a coin dealer nearby. You know, I know - we all know it is worth --- 1 cent. If he tries to buy it -- Well he is buying either a hit coin or an amateurs' attempt at fooling someone... He can't offer too low of a price unless it is less than 1/100 of a dollar..

[simonm]

Welcome.
Your coin is damaged...it's as simple as that...sorry.

[Gold Seeker]

Thanks for all the replies, I accept your conclusions on this coin, we aren't interested in this coin or any items we find being anything valuable, we're are more into researching of what we find and knowing what an item truly is.

[Arjohn]

Good luck in your quest...

[coop]

Looks like it to a hit.
http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/TAKE_THAT_CAT-DOG_PUNCH.jpg

[jfines69]

And the dog is down... Out cold... LOL!!! I agree with the hit!!!