1941(P) Lincoln cent; manipulated

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  • trails
    Moderator, Error Expert
    • Feb 2008
    • 3358

    #1

    Error Other | 1941(P) Lincoln cent; manipulated

    This is another oddball coin that was given to me to examine. At first glance it appears to be strong die deterioration. Under the scope, the story becomes clearer. The coin has been heat manipulated outside the mint. Notice that the ripples are all in one approximate direction. This will not occur with die deterioration from cold metal flow over the die's surface.

    BJ Neff
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  • liveandievarieties
    TPG & Market Expert
    • Feb 2011
    • 6049

    #2
    Looks like it could be acid etched, are you suggesting heat damage BJ?
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    • simonm
      Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 6398

      #3
      Looks more like acid-dipped than heat damage in my opinion...
      My old coin album.

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      • coop
        Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 2754

        #4
        Acid just removes a layer or more.

        The second coin in this image appears to have been placed in a test tube with acid and the coin was laying down thus when the acid deteriorated the coin it made waves upward.
        BJ's coin looks more like a heat from a blow torch to push the devices around.

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        • liveandievarieties
          TPG & Market Expert
          • Feb 2011
          • 6049

          #5
          That does make sense Coop, the only thing that made sense was if the coin were in acid that continuously flowed over the coin. The gentle pressure from a blow torch while liquefying the copper makes a lot of sense, thanks!
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          • Maineman750
            Administrator

            • Apr 2011
            • 12079

            #6
            I've never been able to duplicate the "blow torch" effect using propane or MAPP gas, yet the penny gets red hot. Can anybody tell me how to do that ?
            https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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            • jallengomez
              Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 4447

              #7
              I've achieved it with zincolns, but I've never been able to do it with copper. I think you would need temperatures approaching 2000° F.
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              • Maineman750
                Administrator

                • Apr 2011
                • 12079

                #8
                Originally posted by jallengomez
                I've achieved it with zincolns, but I've never been able to do it with copper. I think you would need temperatures approaching 2000° F.

                MAPP burns at 5300 degrees (F) ...I was afraid it was going to just turn into a puddle so I stopped when it got red.
                https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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