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The closest match I could find was 1961D-1MM-020. The interior vertical bar and the hook like projection are all present. The shape and placement of the D is also quite similar. I couldn't find any die markers.
All help and advice is appreciated.
After studying the coin again I believe it is a 1961D-1MM-017. Is there anyone who agrees or disagrees? I appreciate your help.
After checking out 023, 024 and 029 I believe that 029 is the closest even though my mm seems a little too far west. I couldn't find die markers to match any of the three. I have a B&L 20x loupe now but still couldn't find any die markers. I have added 3 new photos if that helps. Thanks for your time and interest!
I just found a second 1961D with what I believe is the exact same possible new rpm. The new pics are titled 61D rpm twin.
jfines69
09-11-2014, 03:16 PM
Looks like a rpm but is to far north for 020!!!
Jfines, Do you mean the hook is too far north?
jfines69
09-11-2014, 03:21 PM
The entire mm looks to far north!!!
Yes, I see what you mean. The mm is too far north. I didn't catch that. Thanks for the heads up. Back to the drawing board or rpm board I should say.
Thanks, jfines!!
jfines69
09-11-2014, 03:35 PM
You are welcome... If I knew rpms better I could help you figure out which one... LOL!!!
enamel7
09-11-2014, 10:19 PM
Ask Bob to look it up!
After studying the coin again I believe it is a 1961D-1MM-017. Is there anyone who agrees or disagrees? I appreciate your help.
onecent1909
09-14-2014, 07:50 AM
no to #17
Funny.. I think your MM is south of #17
on yours the top of the D is bellow the bottom of the 9
I have to work in the yard..
If you don't have an answer when I get done.... I will try to see what I can find in my books.
willbrooks
09-14-2014, 07:52 AM
I'm not so sure the position matches 17 either, Joel. Looks closer to 29, 24, or 23 to me. But some of the images aren't taken straight on, so it is a little tough. There are several simialr, so you're really going to have to verify with markers. These 61 and 60 rpms are good for you, Joel. They'll put hair on your chest, lol.
edit: I see John beat me to it, but we agree it is not 17.
After checking out 023, 024 and 029 I believe that 029 is the closest even though my mm seems a little too far west. I couldn't find die markers to match any of the three. I have a B&L 20x loupe now but still couldn't find any die markers. I have added 3 new photos if that helps. Thanks for your time and interest!
jfines69
09-14-2014, 03:20 PM
I looked thru and did not see yours listed... Notice the lines around your mm run sw to ne... There are some there that are not pictured so I can not help with those... Maybe this is a new one... That would be awesome!!!
Jfines, How would one determine if this is a new one?
stoneman227
09-14-2014, 07:30 PM
A long shot but have you looked at # 41. Yours does show more hook.
Stoneman, Good call! I think that may be it. About the same time you posted your suggestion I posted 4 new pics of a second 1961D that l found a couple of hours ago that looks almost exactly like the first one I found 3 days ago. You can see the "twins" on my original post with pictures. I think #41 may be right for the twins. The hooks are larger, but the interior bar that leans to the west is present in all three. I found one possible die marker: A die chip shows on the lower left memorial base.A die chip shows on the lower left memorial base.
jfines69
09-15-2014, 04:36 AM
Jfines, How would one determine if this is a new one?
You would need to send it to someone such as mustbebob (A.K.A. Eggnog Bob :LOL_Hair:) for attribution... Maybe he will chime in and give it a look... I do not think it is 41 either... Then again I am no pro!!!
jupiterkm1
09-17-2014, 10:12 AM
Joel,
After comparing the pics on the 2nd coin you posted to Coneca's files, it sure looks to me this is RPM-023. The MM positioning looks correct, the hook matches. You mentioned you found a die chip on the memorial base - is there die chips on either column 1 or 2; die chip in the lower and upper O of One; die chips between lower ED of United; or die cracks in the shoulder?
Kevin
Kevin, I agree that they do look a lot like 023 but I could not find any of the die markers or die chips you mentioned. So at this point it is still a mystery. Bob said the attribution service is not available at this time so I'll have to wait. Thank you for your interest and suggestions. You may very well be right but right now I can't be sure.
Maineman750
09-17-2014, 04:10 PM
Your MM is too far north to be #41, but I will say that your pics are out of focus, which makes it impossible to see markers like die scratches.
Thanks Maineman for your response and observations. I will try again on the photos with the camera I currently have. I need to get a copy stand to improve focus.
Maineman750
09-17-2014, 05:42 PM
I need to get a copy stand to improve focus.
That will help...along with a program that let's you shoot pics while viewing on your pc. It is so much easier that way.
Here are some better pics that are in better focus and light. Thanks for everyone's interest and patience.
jupiterkm1
09-18-2014, 02:27 PM
Here's my pic of the RPM-023. I can't tell any difference with yours. The lack of die markers could be different die states.93205
Jupiter, I agree that they are the same. I really appreciate your responses and follow through. Thanks for your help!!