Possible DDO?

[akovia]

Just wasn't sure about this one. Looks very close to 1984P-1DO-006 (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1984&die_id=1984p1do006&die_state=mds) & 1984P-1DO-010 (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1984&die_id=1984p1do010&die_state=mds) with the extra thickness in the 8 & 4, but the die markers are not right. Seems closer to 006 with the die deterioration around the upper rim.
Maybe an early stage, or not at all?

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=110703&stc=1http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=110704&stc=1

[mustbebob]

This is definitely a DDO. Afraid I can't do much more without any markers.

[akovia]

This is definitely a DDO. Afraid I can't do much more without any markers.
I'll investigate some more and try to see if I can match up a single marker, as well as better pics if I can.
Thanks!

[Chugly]

I definitely agree that its a DDO! Nice find! Hopefully, you can match up some markers, but its a scarce find regardless. Way to go!

[enamel7]

Definitely a doubled die!

[WxMan]

Real nice find. Congrats.

[akovia]

Well I think I found a marker from 1984P-1DO-004 (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1984&die_id=1984p1do004&die_state=mds) right below Lincoln on the RE, and this one displays the same die deterioration along the top of the OB.
Just not sure since all the other markers, both OB and RE are not there.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=110714&stc=1

[mustbebob]

It does indeed look like the marker as shown on coppercoins. I would say you have a positive attribution. Well done!

[onecent1909]

This could be an earlier die state. it struck the coin before those markers happened on the die.

[akovia]

WOOT!
Thanks for the encouragement. That was a lot of fun. :D

Before I catalog it, is there an index somewhere to cross this with the Wexler numbers?
Since coppercoins doesn't seem to be actively maintained anymore, I thought it would be prudent to use Wexler's where possible. No big deal if not.

[Historyhound]

One other area to check, is the doubling on the bottom of the bust, which is not shown on CC. Here's a link to one I found that shows that doubling. I do see the "dot" below the S in TRUST in your pic.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?38195-Nice-1984-P-DDO&p=291038#post291038

[akovia]

One other area to check, is the doubling on the bottom of the bust, which is not shown on CC. Here's a link to one I found that shows that doubling. I do see the "dot" below the S in TRUST in your pic.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?38195-Nice-1984-P-DDO&p=291038#post291038

I think I see it on the bust if you mean where it's at it's thinnest where it meets the field. Not sure I would have seen that otherwise.
Now I also see the dot below the S as well. I honestly thought it was dirt before and discounted it. Looking at a different angle did the trick.

Thanks!

[jfines69]

Nice find... Attribution to Copper Coins (CC) 004 is spot on... I noticed that there is a die scratch/abrasion just to the SW of the 9s upper loop on your coin that appears to match perfectly with CCs 004... Remember that not all die marker will be noted... Just ones that are the easiest to identify... Depending on die state some listed markers change or disappear all together!!!

[jallengomez]

Another good reference for variety listings is:

http://www.varietyvista.com

[WaterSport]

Nice Going!

WS

[mustbebob]

Since coppercoins doesn't seem to be actively maintained anymore, I thought it would be prudent to use Wexler's where possible. No big deal if not.

Coppercoins is not actively maintained as you mention. However, the numbers will always be applicable as long as the site stays on line. Whichever site and numbering system you chose to use, you do what is best for you and your collection. Remember what has been said many, many times before. The cross references are there as a courtesy. We are not required to supply them. Variety Vista doesn't use cross references at all. Coppercoins does cross reference this die to Variety Vista (DDO-005), but we do not have one for Wexlers. It may not exist in his files yet. We are working on a cross reference list right here on the forum thanks to the efforts of centMD and others. Just do a search for it and you can see what her has done so far. Most of his cross references have been updated on coppercoins already. If the Wexler files do not have this die, you may want to submit it to him for inclusion into his system.

[akovia]

Coppercoins is not actively maintained as you mention. However, the numbers will always be applicable as long as the site stays on line. Whichever site and numbering system you chose to use, you do what is best for you and your collection. Remember what has been said many, many times before. The cross references are there as a courtesy. We are not required to supply them. Variety Vista doesn't use cross references at all. Coppercoins does cross reference this die to Variety Vista (DDO-005), but we do not have one for Wexlers. It may not exist in his files yet. We are working on a cross reference list right here on the forum thanks to the efforts of centMD and others. Just do a search for it and you can see what her has done so far. Most of his cross references have been updated on coppercoins already. If the Wexler files do not have this die, you may want to submit it to him for inclusion into his system.

That explain a lot. Thanks for the great information!
I was always curious how others cataloged their coins. Since it appears there is no master list, you just go with whatever listing you can find.

As far as submitting it to Wexler's, he has some listings already there but no pictures, so I can't tell if he has it already or not. I would certainly submit it if I could ensure he didn't have it so I wouldn't be wasting his time.
Lastly, I did a search to find the cross refference on the site but couldn't locate it. I did find this (http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?37881-A-word-of-thanks&highlight=centMD+cross). I'll keep searching though.

Thanks so much for everything, including your work on coppercoins. I wish I had the skills to rewrite the site for you as the information there is invaluable and deserves all the help it can get.

Cheers

Edit: Found it! http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?38299-Wexler-listings-cross-reference-updates