1983 Doubled Die Obverse cent WDDO-011

[Sheila ruley]

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[Petespockets55]

Nice images and nice coin. It will be interesting to hear what others think of this one. Impressive separation on the devices.:D

[enamel7]

Very nice coin!

[grnwavdav]

Beautiful example! Excellent find! Congratulations!

[Maineman750]

Very nice find !

[uglycent]

Sweeeet, I have searched for one for years. Great looking die variety.

[duece2seven]

Wow, I didn't realize that ddo was so strong. Nice find!

[Petespockets55]

This is the CC 1DO-001, CONECA- 1DO-001 Stage B, correct? Couldn't get the reverse to enlarge, but it looks like die scratches and possible die crack lower left of building. Thanks for any clarification for this pair of eyes!

[Frank]

Wow, how awesome is that?? Great find!! :tinysmile_classes_t

For a second I saw "DDR" and my heart jumped into my throat! The DDR #1 is like my DREAM coin!

[Sheila ruley]

I will let you know if I find one, LOL. I will keep an eye out for one for myself and one for you as well. LOL

[Frank]

I will let you know if I find one, LOL. I will keep an eye out for one for myself and one for you as well. LOL

WooHoo!!! :bigsmile:

[enamel7]

I actually found this variety a few days ago. Not nearly in the condition yours is in.

[Sheila ruley]

That's awesome you found one!! I was very happy when I found it!

[jfines69]

That is an awesome find... Have you tried to do the attribution yet???

[Sheila ruley]

Who would be able to do that? Do they give a value to it?

[WaterSport]

Awesome example -

WS

[GrumpyEd]

Nice find, your pics show it well.

Aren't you glad you flipped it over and checked the obverse after you looked at the reverse! :)

[Sheila ruley]

Extremely glad!! Thank you! I'm happy with it!

[jfines69]

Who would be able to do that? Do they give a value to it?
Do the attribution yourself -
Variety Vista http://varietyvista.com/
Copper Coins http://coppercoins.com/advsearch.php
Wexlers http://doubleddie.com/

Those links should help you get started... You will want to look thru the pics on those sites to find the DDO that is close to yours in appearance and then you will want to try and match die markers... There may be more than one die state listed and not all markers are listed... It may take you a while but I think you can do it... Let us know if you run into any problems... If you find a possible match post a link to that coin in your thread here and we can check it out... As for the value most attributors do not give values... Values are always changing!!!

[willbrooks]

Super find, Sheila. Congrats.

[Sheila ruley]

I don't see the exact same one as I have. Do I send it in to wexler?

[Maineman750]

Check very closely against this :http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1983&die_id=1983p1do001&die_state=eds

[Sheila ruley]

Got it. Mine is more detailed on the TRU of TRUST though. It does otherwise look like mine. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

[Maineman750]

Yes it is, however, it may be that you have an earlier die state than what CC has on their listing...that's a good thing. But it wouldn't hurt to send it to Wexler just to be sure...all that you really need to confirm is one tiny scratch that is an exact match...or if you can post close ups of the last three areas that CC has pictured, we may be able to do it here

[Sheila ruley]

Where would I find the scratch? What part of the coin do I need to post??

[Maineman750]

if you can post close ups of the last three areas that CC has pictured, we may be able to do it here

CC is the link I provided above :D just try to match their pictures in size and area (roughly)

[Sheila ruley]

It won't let me view all of them. Just the first 5.

[jallengomez]

That's a great find Sheila!

[Maineman750]

It won't let me view all of them. Just the first 5.

Sheila, that sounds like your computer or a temporary hiccup on the site....they are all still visible to me.....try this as I scrolled down http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1983&die_id=1983p1do001&die_state=eds

[Sheila ruley]

Mine has no notches on the date and the TRUST on mine is much more doubled. As well as the IN.

[Maineman750]

Then it would probably be worth sending it in Sheila

[Sheila ruley]

Ok. I will do that. Thank you.

[jfines69]

Mine has no notches on the date and the TRUST on mine is much more doubled. As well as the IN.
Take a deep breath :LOL_Hair: It is exciting when you find a major DDO... I still get real excited about the minor ones :LOL_Hair: Here is a link to Variety Vistas (VV) 001 http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1983PDDO001.htm This cross references to Copper Coins (CC)001 that Maineman gave you a link to... Take a look at the pics from both sites and you will see some subtle differences between the coins but the doubling is the same... You will see scratches, die dots and such around and near the letters, numbers an other devices... Those are all die markers... When you take pics to post of your coin try to get pics of the same areas... That will help in doing the attribution!!!

[Sheila ruley]

I have not noticed any of that on the coin. I will try to get pictures if I can.

[GrumpyEd]

For me, telling die-1 from die-3 is tough. The reasons are that they're very similar and most examples have plating bumps and lose plating so markers are tough to see plus I haven't seen many good pics (or even many examples) of die-3. Coppercoins doesn't have die-3 on the site (their 1DO-003 is not die-3). Experts would laugh at my thought but nothing I've seen really was convincing that die-3 is a different die (laugh haha).

Probably your best chance of attributing it is to try matching some marker to die-1, there are great pics of die-1 so you might match something plus (assuming they really are 2 different dies which is probably true) it seems that die-1 is much much much more common. But if nothing matches die-1 then you might want to send it to get it attributed. But beware, most TPGs might just call it die-1 and be done with it because for the most part it looks like it matches the CPG listing for die-1.

I have a coin in a PCI signature holder with JTs Stantons (FS numbers are Fivas/Stanton numbers) signature and the attribution 1983-P DDO die-3 (FS 035.2) but who knows, those signature slabs may be only marketing so I don't know that it means they actually looked at the coins and signed the slabs. I'd trust it more if someone told me JT really did the attributions.

Anyway looking at that coin next to a die-1, I can't swear they're different but die-1 looks like the doubling is sharper at least on my coins.

I only have a few bad pics of the coin, it's been locked away for years in a SDB so I never had a chance to look closer. Here's the pics:


(my label was wrong, this is not 1DO-003, the 1DO-003 on Coppercoins is not die-3, this is attributed die-3 FS-035.2)

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/eagames1/postsize53.jpg

[Sheila ruley]

Wow, that's a nice coin. Thank you for the information.

[GrumpyEd]

Just adding, is that a little die chip blob on your coin on the east edge of the B of liberty?

Because it looks like my coin had the start of that chip, see the pic.

I also see something there in the CPG listing for die-3 but their pic is too small to see any detail.

If nobody lists that as a marker for die-1, it might be a useful marker for die-3.

[Sheila ruley]

I don't see any Die chip on my coin. It is probably the reflection of the lighting. Your coin has very nice doubling.

[GrumpyEd]

Your coin has very nice doubling.

Yours looks more crisp. I'm thinking yours is die-1. Just nice if there's a marker to verify it.

[Sheila ruley]

I couldn't find anything else on it.

[jfines69]

This is the CC 1DO-001, CONECA- 1DO-001 Stage B, correct? Couldn't get the reverse to enlarge, but it looks like die scratches and possible die crack lower left of building. Thanks for any clarification for this pair of eyes!
I see the same thing!!!

[jfines69]

I have not noticed any of that on the coin. I will try to get pictures if I can.
That would be cool!!!

[Sheila ruley]

I can't get the pictures clearly. They are all just turning out a bit too grainy. I can't see them though. Maybe I'm just missing something. I think I'm just going to send it to Wexler and get confirmation or at least any other information I can.

[jallengomez]

Sheila,

Do you have a loupe? I'm asking, because you should be able to see some of the markers through one. I believe I can see some of the reverse markers. If you are just looking at the coin through a scope with a fixed light source, it can be difficult to create the shadowing you need to pick up subtle markers such as die polish lines.

[Sheila ruley]

I have A 60 Times Loop and I still can't see them.

[enamel7]

60! That's too much. Go to Hobby Lobby and pick up one that's 16X.

[Sheila ruley]

I have one. I still can't see it with that one either.

[jfines69]

I use a 30X loupe... Then again I am old and blind :LOL_Hair: I see what may be a match with Wexlers 001 http://doubleddie.com/828823.html with your coin... Compare the area between the R and U of TRUST on your coin with Wexlers sample... On Wexlers there appears to be a die dot next to the U that also appears to be on your coin... Remember that not all markers are going to be listed or highlighted... Most attributors mention or highlight ones they believe will be on the dies the longest!!!

[Sheila ruley]

I sent The 1983 coin off today to John Wexler. I just want to make sure that it is one he has already posted or that is posted on another website.

[jfines69]

I sent The 1983 coin off today to John Wexler. I just want to make sure that it is one he has already posted or that is posted on another website.
Cool... Thanks for the follow up... Lets us know what the determination is!!!

[Sheila ruley]

I will copy and paste what he said. He usually emails me before he sends it back.

[chuckster125]

Congrats!

SUPER FIND!!!!

[jfines69]

I will copy and paste what he said. He usually emails me before he sends it back.
Sounds good to me!!!