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VAB2013
02-04-2018, 11:38 PM
This is the nicest WAM I've ever found!

So... we are 10 and 10
98 WAM's and 2000 WAM's

the 98 had a traveling buddy :)
makecents
02-05-2018, 02:48 AM
Wow Viv!! Very nice WAM run this weekend!! That guy looks like he just came off the press, congrats!!
stoneman227
02-05-2018, 03:58 AM
Super nice coin , Congrats !

John
Kanga3375
02-05-2018, 07:21 AM
Great shape! Are you going for a whole roll of 00 and 98 WAM's ?
chuckster125
02-05-2018, 10:30 AM
Congrats again Viv!

That 99 WAM is calling you for sure now!!!!
jfines69
02-05-2018, 02:00 PM
Excellent finds... Maybe the 99 is in there some where!!!
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 02:02 PM
Thank you very much Jon, John, Kanga and Chuckster! I was very happy to pull this nice WAM out of a roll early this morning!

@Kanga... a roll of each would be awesome :)

@Chuckster... a 99 would totally rock!!!
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 02:06 PM
Excellent finds... Maybe the 99 is in there some where!!!

Thank you Jim! Oh, that would be so great!!! Getting ready to dig back in this box of rolls again :)
jfines69
02-05-2018, 02:07 PM
Thank you Jim! Oh, that would be so great!!! Getting ready to dig back in this box of rolls again :)
Some times they travel in three somes!!!
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 02:17 PM
Some times they travel in three somes!!!

Gee... I sure hope Jim! Rose, our Chow woke me up really early this AM... couldn't get back to sleep... popped open one roll and out came this terrific looking 2000 WAM!
jfines69
02-05-2018, 02:17 PM
Gee... I sure hope Jim! Rose, our Chow woke me up really early this AM... couldn't get back to sleep... popped open one roll and out came this terrific looking 2000 WAM!
Cool... Did you give Rose an extra treat!!!
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 02:19 PM
Cool... Did you give Rose an extra treat!!!

She got a treat before I found it LOL... she's spoiled rotten! I thought that was why she woke me up :)
joel
02-05-2018, 05:58 PM
Very Cool!! Where has it been all these years? I think its traveling days are over!! Congrats!!
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 07:14 PM
Very Cool!! Where has it been all these years? I think its traveling days are over!! Congrats!!

Thank you Larry J! You know how I fuss about Alabama coins being so dirty... well this brick must have originated from Illinois! I have pulled out several really nice AU/BU's already! One that either has cartwheel luster or it has strange die flow lines, never seen one like this so it's puzzling me, maybe I can get a photo of it it's super shiny and nice looking!
GrumpyEd
02-05-2018, 08:07 PM
Very Cool!! Where has it been all these years? I think its traveling days are over!! Congrats!!

I think I remember you had amassed a bunch of these like almost a roll?
GrumpyEd
02-05-2018, 08:08 PM
Nice looking WAM you found Viv!
GrumpyEd
02-05-2018, 08:11 PM
Have you all been looking for the phantom Ds on them?
I think it's the 98-P WAM that has them.
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 08:32 PM
I think I remember you had amassed a bunch of these like almost a roll?

Ed, are you asking me or Larry J? Must be Larry J because I don't have a roll of WAM's :)
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 08:36 PM
Have you all been looking for the phantom Ds on them?
I think it's the 98-P WAM that has them.

Ed, I didn't know anything about this, where is the phantom D at?
GrumpyEd
02-05-2018, 08:42 PM
Ed, are you asking me or Larry J? Must be Larry J because I don't have a roll of WAM's :)

I was asking Larry, I know you have 10 99 and 00 but no 99, I was keeping track :)

But I thought Larry had a lot more of them like near a roll.
GrumpyEd
02-05-2018, 08:49 PM
Ed, I didn't know anything about this, where is the phantom D at?

LOL, where a D would be below the date but on the plains.
They are on a bunch of years but some of the 98 WAMs have a pretty clear one, might just be one die that shows it well.



Link to LCR (http://www.lincolncentresource.com/FAQ/PhantomD.html)


Link to KP lists 98s for sale (http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/_Ty-2_Reverse_Cent_Varieties.htm)
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 08:49 PM
I was asking Larry, I know you have 10 99 and 00 but no 99, I was keeping track :)

But I thought Larry had a lot more of them like near a roll.

Yeah... Larry J. probably does have rolls of WAM's, he's probably already taken over the spare bedroom for his RPM's... must have a very sweet wife!
VAB2013
02-05-2018, 08:54 PM
LOL, where a D would be below the date but on the plains.
They are on a bunch of years but some of the 98 WAMs have a pretty clear one, might just be one die that shows it well.



Link to LCR (http://www.lincolncentresource.com/FAQ/PhantomD.html)


Link to KP lists 98s for sale (http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/_Ty-2_Reverse_Cent_Varieties.htm)

Wow Ed, thank you! This is very interesting and I've never heard about it! Gonna dig back thru these WAM's and look for that Phantom D!
Sheila ruley
02-07-2018, 06:37 PM
Nice!! I have about 6 of these and 14 1998 WAMs.
VAB2013
02-07-2018, 07:38 PM
Have you all been looking for the phantom Ds on them?
I think it's the 98-P WAM that has them.

Ed, it looks like from the article that post 1996 up through 1999 has them and 99 Philly mint sets do. So does that mean business strikes from 1997 to 1999 Philly's could have the Phantom D? Is it just the WAM's for 98-99 or all of them? It doesn't seem mention the 2000's so I guess they don't have the almost invisible "D".

Here is the article again http://www.lincolncentresource.com/FAQ/PhantomD.html
VAB2013
02-07-2018, 07:39 PM
Nice!! I have about 6 of these and 14 1998 WAMs.

Thank you Sheila! I just asked Ed about the Phantom D's so let's see what he says so you can check yours also!
GrumpyEd
02-07-2018, 09:01 PM
Best I can make out of it is from atleast 96 through 99 but I don't see anyone verifying an end date,

Don't know the answer, like how they did it from the time they stopped punching them up to 96 or the exact year they stopped. Maybe it coincides with when they made cent dies in Denver but I'm not sure about that, I mean not sure even when Denver makes dies if they truly go from start like galvanos or if some upstream stuff is shared.
VAB2013
02-07-2018, 09:50 PM
Best I can make out of it is from atleast 96 through 99 but I don't see anyone verifying an end date,

Don't know the answer, like how they did it from the time they stopped punching them up to 96 or the exact year they stopped. Maybe it coincides with when they made cent dies in Denver but I'm not sure about that, I mean not sure even when Denver makes dies if they truly go from start like galvanos or if some upstream stuff is shared.

Well Ed, it says post 1996 so I'm not sure if that would include 1996? It's probably very difficult to see unless the coin is BU, maybe AU? Your question about this might be a good one for John-onecent1909. I'll pm him and ask him to stop by this thread for us. Thank you Ed!
onecent1909
02-08-2018, 04:32 PM
Maybe it coincides with when they made cent dies in Denver but I'm not sure about that,

The first dies made at the Denver mint was a 1996 Cent die.
If you go to the Denver Mint and take a tour the die and a cent are in a case during the tour

I would concur with other researcher that it was a Denver hub that was ground down. I believe Philly makes the masters using the Galvano and ships the master to Denver who then make working hubs and working dies.
I think Philly started this process for Denver then ground down the D and used it for Philly coins.
onecent1909
02-08-2018, 04:57 PM
So does that mean business strikes from 1997 to 1999 Philly's could have the Phantom D? Is it just the WAM's for 98-99 or all of them?

They are on any business strike Philly cents. including both standard circulation strike cents and WAM cents (more on that shortly).
They are in 1999 mint sets. I did buy a set just to have one. I tried but could not get a good pic.
I have never heard of 2000 or newer. BJ shows a 1997 but I have never seen one in hand.

in hand I have seen a 98 WAM and a 99 standard from a mint set


There are 4 reverse dies that make up the 1999 WAMs which I think 2 were used in 1998 and also again in 1999. The obverse die amount of 1999 would be very small. 4-6ish if they did pair a reverse with more than one obverse die.
With this info I would think that 1999 WAMs do not have Phantom D mint marks.
Again I have heard of nothing in the 2000 years so 2000 WAM phantom D mint marks probably do not exist.
This leaves the 1998 WAM as the only Cir WAM to have a Phantom D mint mark possibility.
VAB2013
02-08-2018, 05:26 PM
Thank you very much John for this information! Going to check my 98 WAM's and see if something shows up! Just curious, does BJ have his 1997 listed on his website or did you just hear about it from him?

Edit: John, I just found the 1997 Phantom D on Error-ref.com
onecent1909
02-08-2018, 05:52 PM
Viv,
take your coin. hold it normally. look at the field while tilting slightly back and forth with the light coming from top and then again from bottom.
Look at the field. do not try to see the D...try to see the field. see if it stays flat or if it has a disturbance.
VAB2013
02-08-2018, 06:01 PM
Viv,
take your coin. hold it normally. look at the field while tilting slightly back and forth with the light coming from top and then again from bottom.
Look at the field. do not try to see the D...try to see the field. see if it stays flat or if it has a disturbance.

Thank you John, I'm looking at them right now so I will try that!