2006P-1DO-003

[VAB2013]

Was thinking about calling it a night... and found this! Have to at least finish the roll :)

[TPring]

Was thinking about calling it a night... and found this! Have to at least finish the roll :)


Ironman...Ironperson:)

[GrumpyEd]

Nice find Viv.

Some of those 06s like that one show without a loupe :)

[Petespockets55]

That is a "BERTY"ful coin.
WTG Viv.

[makecents]

FOOTBALLS!!! Fantastic find Viv!! Staying up late and pulling in another one!! Looks to be in great shape too!!

[jfines69]

Nice find Vivien... How sure are you that it is CCs 003 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do003&die_state=mds and not CCs 010 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do010&die_state=mds The doubling on the date to me looks closer to 010 especially at the bottom of the 06 and in the beard and hair??? I do not see the fore head crack but that could be a die state difference... However on the rev the die gouge south of the memorial next to the rim on yours looks to be going more NNE and CCs is nearly due north??? CC does state that we need to "scrutinize the markers"!!!

[GrumpyEd]

Nice find Vivien... How sure are you that it is CCs 003 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do003&die_state=mds and not CCs 010 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do010&die_state=mds The doubling on the date to me looks closer to 010 especially at the bottom of the 06 and in the beard and hair??? I do not see the fore head crack but that could be a die state difference... However on the rev the die gouge south of the memorial next to the rim on yours looks to be going more NNE and CCs is nearly due north??? CC does state that we need to "scrutinize the markers"!!!


They are similar. When I found the first 010s I thought they were 03s. Searched the whole brick then looked at them closer and realized they were a not 03s. they both have those football 0s. Look close at the markers, I can't tell for sure from the pics.

[VAB2013]

Thank you Jim and Ed! Let me look at the CC Die 10 and see if I can find those markers. I appreciate the reminder, I didn't even think about it :)

[VAB2013]

Jim and Ed... and others who would like to jump in and help! I did not see any of the coppercoins.com Die 010 markers, this coin does not appear to have die scratches.

But what is the thing on the T of Liberty on Bob's photo of the Die 010? I'm seeing something on the T of my coin, not exactly the same spot but close enough for me to ask. (photo attached)

Here is the link to coppercoins.com 2006-1DO-010 https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do010&die_state=mds

[GrumpyEd]

Look really close for the marker on the 6, I thought I see it in your pic. Maybe in hand you can check it.

[jfines69]

Jim and Ed... and others who would like to jump in and help! I did not see any of the coppercoins.com Die 010 markers, this coin does not appear to have die scratches.

But what is the thing on the T of Liberty on Bob's photo of the Die 010? I'm seeing something on the T of my coin, not exactly the same spot but close enough for me to ask. (photo attached)


Here is the link to coppercoins.com 2006-1DO-010 https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do010&die_state=mds
That looks like a chip but I am not 100% sure... Yours looks displaced by wear... Can I use your date pic to do an overlay???

[VAB2013]

Of course you can always use my photos Jim! Thank you! Also, I just don't see what Ed is talking about at the 6.

[makecents]

I've beat this one around since you posted it Viv. I really think you called it right to begin with. I think it's a 003. The dates are similar between the 003 and the 010 but the 2 and the six I think tell the story. They are slightly more distorted for the 003 and like yours. That's my two cents anyway, heh, heh.


But regardless , there are still FOOTBALLS!!!

[jfines69]

Of course you can always use my photos Jim! Thank you! Also, I just don't see what Ed is talking about at the 6.
Thank you Vivien... I will see what I can see as long as my eyes hold out :LOL_Hair:

[jfines69]

Of course you can always use my photos Jim! Thank you! Also, I just don't see what Ed is talking about at the 6.
Ed is talking about the die abrasion marker for 010 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do010&die_state=mds There is also a die dot just off the 6s NE edge of the loop that looks to match up with 010???

[jfines69]

I did overlays and to me Viviens coin appears to line up better with CCs 010 than with 003??? This is weird as Jon pointed out the 2s upper end looks distorted like 003... Time for Bob to chime in?????????

[GrumpyEd]

It looks like Vivs has a tiny raised thing on the 6 where the abrasion on 3 comes off and maybe the abrasion very faintly. But I couldn't be sure it's really there, maybe play with lighting and look at that spot.

It may be very hard to be sure if you don't see a marker of either, they are so similar and who knows, there could even be a different die since 06 had so many.

[jfines69]

It looks like Vivs has a tiny raised thing on the 6 where the abrasion on 3 comes off and maybe the abrasion very faintly. But I couldn't be sure it's really there, maybe play with lighting and look at that spot.

It may be very hard to be sure if you don't see a marker of either, they are so similar and who knows, there could even be a different die since 06 had so many.
I did not even consider a new DD??? It very well could be!!!

[VAB2013]

I did not even consider a new DD??? It very well could be!!!

Well Jim, it could also be user error :) Let me look it over again and see if I have missed something. If there are any die cracks, they are very tiny.

[jfines69]

Well Jim, it could also be user error :) Let me look it over again and see if I have missed something. If there are any die cracks, they are very tiny.
Ok... Let us know what you find out!!!

[VAB2013]

I did overlays and to me Viviens coin appears to line up better with CCs 010 than with 003??? This is weird as Jon pointed out the 2s upper end looks distorted like 003... Time for Bob to chime in?????????

Jim, I think you are correct! My overlay matches Coppercoins Die 010 and does not match Coppercoins 003. I will email you my overlays, but please tell me what you think about my other findings:

1. Coppercoins Die 010 - the first zero looks more narrow, and Coppercoins Die 003 looks wider and more rounded

2. I could not find any Coppercoins 010 die markers, so perhaps my coin is an earlier die state (photos attached showing no markers) I took these photos with LED lights on because it seems to show die cracks and scratches better.

[jfines69]

Well I noticed that CCs 003 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do003&die_state=mds and 010 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do010&die_state=mds both cross ref to Wexlers WDDO-004 http://doubleddie.com/303301.html either that is an error on CCs site or they are the same die??? However I can say that I did match a marker between Viviens - CCs 003 and Wexlers 004 - There is a die dot due east of Abes eyebrow that appears on all 3 coins so at this point I would say Viviens is CCs 003/Wexlers 004 and most likely an earlier die state... That die dot and the distortion on the 2, as Jon pointed out, will be the clincher for me!!!

[GrumpyEd]

Strange that they both cross.

I remember Murph found 3 and quite a bit later I found 10.
We traded so we both had a bunch of both. I always thought they are different and his 3 was a bit stronger than 10.

Never sure, they are very similar.

[GrumpyEd]

When I found the 010, I had a brick and it had almost 600 of them, 12 solid rolls, like a record for one variety from a brick.
I sold them all and kept one roll of the best coins plus one that I thought was the best coin and it graded MS68 red from ANACs. I have a 67 red 03 from ANACs. They look different to me, 03 is stronger. I've never tried to compare markers.

[GrumpyEd]

The other funny thing was I was on a work trip and picked up the brick at Chase in PA. I saw the DDOs through the holes in the box because there were several with end coins that were 10.
When I flew back the TSA guy looked at my bag and asked what the brick was. I told him a bunch of cents and he asked why are you bringing them.
I opened it when I got home. It also had over 6 rolls of 012s.
It was cherry picking paradise.
12 rolls of die 10 and 6 of die 12s.

That was probably the brick ever. :)

[makecents]

The other funny thing was I was on a work trip and picked up the brick at Chase in PA. I saw the DDOs through the holes in the box because there were several with end coins that were 10.
When I flew back the TSA guy looked at my bag and asked what the brick was. I told him a bunch of cents and he asked why are you bringing them.
I opened it when I got home. It also had over 6 rolls of 012s.
It was cherry picking paradise.
12 rolls of die 10 and 6 of die 12s.

That was probably the brick ever. :)Wow!! Those are some crazy numbers on the 003, 010 and 012's. I would probably have a heart attack if I ran across something like that!!

[GrumpyEd]

Wow!! Those are some crazy numbers on the 003, 010 and 012's. I would probably have a heart attack if I ran across something like that!!

I almost did.
A few of my co-workers started buying bricks on ebay after I told them.

06 was a strange year, there was a 3-4 month period of tons of DDOs. If you could get P bricks they often had DDOs.

[makecents]

I almost did.
A few of my co-workers started buying bricks on ebay after I told them.

06 was a strange year, there was a 3-4 month period of tons of DDOs. If you could get P bricks they often had DDOs.I know they are shields but maybe 2018 will treat us well!!:)

[VAB2013]

Well I noticed that CCs 003 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do003&die_state=mds and 010 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do010&die_state=mds both cross ref to Wexlers WDDO-004 http://doubleddie.com/303301.html either that is an error on CCs site or they are the same die??? However I can say that I did match a marker between Viviens - CCs 003 and Wexlers 004 - There is a die dot due east of Abes eyebrow that appears on all 3 coins so at this point I would say Viviens is CCs 003/Wexlers 004 and most likely an earlier die state... That die dot and the distortion on the 2, as Jon pointed out, will be the clincher for me!!!

Wow Jim! Thank you so much for all of your work on this and it has turned out surprisingly different from what I thought! Now I will go back and look for these markers you are referring to, what fun!

Ed, thank you for your help as well! I am so glad that you pitched in because I knew you were smack dab in the middle of finding these 2006 discoveries! Congrats for finding your discoveries and sharing the cool stories that went with it! I'm like Jon, I cannot fathom finding as many 2006's as you did in rolls!

Okay, going back to look at this Abe again, also going back to check my other 2006's for possible mistakes! Obviously my overlay's leave a lot to be desired :tinysmile_cry_t:

[jfines69]

Let us know what you find Vivien... As for the over lays you will get the hang of it eventually... If I can any one can :LOL_Hair:

[jfines69]

When I found the 010, I had a brick and it had almost 600 of them, 12 solid rolls, like a record for one variety from a brick.
I sold them all and kept one roll of the best coins plus one that I thought was the best coin and it graded MS68 red from ANACs. I have a 67 red 03 from ANACs. They look different to me, 03 is stronger. I've never tried to compare markers.
That was one awesome brick... The TSA guy probably thought you were nuts :LOL_Hair:

[VAB2013]

Let us know what you find Vivien... As for the over lays you will get the hang of it eventually... If I can any one can :LOL_Hair:

Okay Jim, thank you. Geez you saw the overlays I emailed to you. The 003 was way off.. I think I need to start over and try again :)

[jfines69]

Okay Jim, thank you. Geez you saw the overlays I emailed to you. The 003 was way off.. I think I need to start over and try again :)
I think you need to stretch the overlay some... The numbers look a little scrunched... On your overlay of 010 it looks like you needed to rotate your image 1 or 2 degrees CW??? When you create the transparency how transparent do you make the image??? I try to stay in the 40 to 45 percent range... With my software anything over 45 percent and I begin to loose detail... Some times darkening the transparency will help a little but not always... Kind of a trick you need to learn as you do more of them!!!

[VAB2013]

Thank you Jim! When I got the 2 the right size and lined it up with the 003 the rest did not match. I am having a problem with color and transparency settings. Did you overlay a 003 with a 010?

[jfines69]

Thank you Jim! When I got the 2 the right size and lined it up with the 003 the rest did not match. I am having a problem with color and transparency settings. Did you overlay a 003 with a 010?
I did not think of overlaying the 003 over a 010 but I will... I will send you the image when I am finished!!!

[VAB2013]

I did not think of overlaying the 003 over a 010 but I will... I will send you the image when I am finished!!!

Great, thank you Jim!

[jfines69]

Great, thank you Jim!
Check your in box!!!

[VAB2013]

Check your in box!!!

Just saw your email Jim! It's amazing how the differences show much more noticeable with the top overlay dropped down just below the bottom one! Thank you so much for this! Now it's starting to click :)

[jfines69]

Just saw your email Jim! It's amazing how the differences show much more noticeable with the top overlay dropped down just below the bottom one! Thank you so much for this! Now it's starting to click :)
I know what you mean... I could not see the differences until I did that off set... Totally blew my mind... All be it the explosion was like a fizzled lady finger fire cracker :LOL_Hair:

[VAB2013]

Jim, I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised! I dug out the other 2006P CC Die 003 I found some time ago and it actually helped me find a die marker on the coin in this thread. The die marker on this thread's coin is VERY light but seeing the stronger one on my other find, I can, without a doubt call both of them Coppercoins Die 003, Wexler's WDDO-004 and Variety Vista's Stage B DDO-007.

Photos attached showing the Variety Vista Stage B die marker - Die Crack in Frieze above Bay 3! This has been fun with a lot of investigative work involved! Now we just need to find the Coppercoins Die 010! We know for a fact Ed has one :)

[VAB2013]

Jim, this is the other die marker I found on the other coin. Looks like the beginning of a die crack at the forehead.

Is Stage A EDS and Stage B MDS?

[makecents]

I know you've been working hard on this one!! Glad you got it knocked out!

[VAB2013]

I know you've been working hard on this one!! Glad you got it knocked out!

Thank you Jon! Jim is always awesome to work with! I'm happy to be able to find something to make all of his work come to a conclusion! Now we are ready for the CC Die 010's!

[jfines69]

Jim, this is the other die marker I found on the other coin. Looks like the beginning of a die crack at the forehead.

Is Stage A EDS and Stage B MDS?
I am not sure of the rev crack... It may be the difference in your lighting but where your enters the medalion it appears to droop to the south where as the one on VVs 007 http://varietyvista.com/01c%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%203/2006PDDO007%20cent.htm has a slight north bend??? The forehead crack looks to be correct and I believe there is a very light die dot to the east of Abes eyebrow that CCs 003 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do003&die_state=mds and Wexlers 004 http://doubleddie.com/303301.html shows!!!

[VAB2013]

I am not sure of the rev crack... It may be the difference in your lighting but where your enters the medalion it appears to droop to the south where as the one on VVs 007 http://varietyvista.com/01c%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%203/2006PDDO007%20cent.htm has a slight north bend??? The forehead crack looks to be correct and I believe there is a very light die dot to the east of Abes eyebrow that CCs 003 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=2006&die_id=2006p1do003&die_state=mds and Wexlers 004 http://doubleddie.com/303301.html shows!!!

Jim I will try to get a better photo of those reverse markers but I think they match. You can see that die dot east of eyebrow?? You have extra terrestrial vision!

[jfines69]

Jim I will try to get a better photo of those reverse markers but I think they match. You can see that die dot east of eyebrow?? You have extra terrestrial vision!
No problem Vivien... Lighting can really cause things to look strange... It is only that section that doesn't appear to match... The die dot may be there... Which I had ET vision :LOL_Hair: You would have to confirm the die dot!!!

[VAB2013]

No problem Vivien... Lighting can really cause things to look strange... It is only that section that doesn't appear to match... The die dot may be there... Which I had ET vision :LOL_Hair: You would have to confirm the die dot!!!

Thank you Jim! I ordered the Jansjo's and they should be here Wednesday so we'll see what they can do :)

[jfines69]

Thank you Jim! I ordered the Jansjo's and they should be here Wednesday so we'll see what they can do :)
Cool... Thanks for the follow up!!!