A bit of help please

[TPring]

This coin is in good condition and has split serifs -- Should be a relatively easy identification but, it has me stumped.


I have exhausted my abilities with the overlays after trying 011, 023 and 032.

I have only been using the CC (http://coppercoins.com/diesearch.php?date=1964&thismint=d&thistype=dodrmmom&page=0) and VV (http://www.varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20RPMs%20Vol%202/RPMs%201964D.htm) sites for comparisons since the Wexler examples are limited [from the website]. Is it possible to access more WRPMs through DD (http://doubleddie.com/311222.html)?

Thanks for any help/suggestions you can offer -- Just trying to keep this off the 'to-do' list.

[VAB2013]

TPring, I think it's Coppercoins 1964D-1MM-011, yours may be an earlier die state. I did an overlay and I think that's it.

[TPring]

Thanks Viv, that was the one that I considered closest too.

On my overlay it was a touch WNW with a slightly CW tilt but, as you know, these overlays can be tricky. I think even between CC and VV my results varied a touch.


Do you know if it is possible to access any more Wexler RPMs [or even Crawford's]?

[VAB2013]

Thanks Viv, that was the one that I considered closest too.

On my overlay it was a touch WNW with a slightly CW tilt but, as you know, these overlays can be tricky. I think even between CC and VV my results varied a touch.


Do you know if it is possible to access any more Wexler RPMs [or even Crawford's]?

Well I think Mr. Wexler is still updating his files and I heard that Billy Crawford passed away. I don't know where Billy's listings were ever published.

[jfines69]

Wexler has not finished updating his files... When he is complete with a set it will show next to the year as "Complete"... As for Crawfords there are cds out there with his listings on them... You would have to search the web to find one!!!

[jfines69]

This may take a bit... I have not been able to find a MM with the location and angle that matches with your upper serif split... As for the possibles you mentioned take a look again at the split in the upper and lower serif... If you don't mind I will down load your date/MM image and go thru again later!!!

[TPring]

This may take a bit... I have not been able to find a MM with the location and angle that matches with your upper serif split... As for the possibles you mentioned take a look again at the split in the upper and lower serif... If you don't mind I will down load your date/MM image and go thru again later!!!


I am wondering if these split serifs are wanna-bes. They look pretty serious as far as splits go.

Took several pics of just the MM from different angles and with different lighting. My thinking was that maybe somebody more experienced [you] with these splits may notice something not right with them [if in fact they are just PSD]. Unfortunately, this is about the best I can do now as far as image quality is concerned.

Thanks for your assistance,

[jfines69]

I did not find a match on CC... The overlay for CCs 011 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1964&die_id=1964d1mm011&die_state=lds shows the date, on your coin, just a tad to far west... Even with die wear I believe it is to far out of alignment to match up... If I align the date then the MM slides to far east... However I did find a match on VV RPM-018 http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20RPMs%20Vol%202/1964DRPM018.htm and the overlay matches everything up... Cool... CC does not show a cross reference to VVs 018!!!

[VAB2013]

I did not find a match on CC... The overlay for CCs 011 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1964&die_id=1964d1mm011&die_state=lds shows the date, on your coin, just a tad to far west... Even with die wear I believe it is to far out of alignment to match up... If I align the date then the MM slides to far east... However I did find a match on VV RPM-018 http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20RPMs%20Vol%202/1964DRPM018.htm and the overlay matches everything up... Cool... CC does not show a cross reference to VVs 018!!!

Wow Jim, your RPM detective work is outstanding! TPring will be happy when he comes back and sees this!

[TPring]

Wow Jim, your RPM detective work is outstanding! TPring will be happy when he comes back and sees this!


Yes it is and yes I am. That cent used up a lot of time.:(


Thank you for all your detective work on figuring out its identity. I did begin to question whether it was a double split since I went through all the doubles that were even remotely close. I was thinking the top split might be the culprit -- The bottom split looked legit.


Do you think this is a case of stategically-placed PSD?

[jfines69]

Yes it is and yes I am. That cent used up a lot of time.:(


Thank you for all your detective work on figuring out its identity. I did begin to question whether it was a double split since I went through all the doubles that were even remotely close. I was thinking the top split might be the culprit -- The bottom split looked legit.


Do you think this is a case of stategically-placed PSD?
PSD can, especially on the splits, cause havic for the attribution... The damage can make the splits appear to travel in a different direction and be in a different location... When a RPM contains split I try to match them up first in their location and angles of travel followed by the MMs position in relation to the date, jacket and rim... Hope that helps a little!!!