Error Mis-aligned Die | Off center or MAD? Large date copper.

[makecents]

I'm not sure what I have here. I've seen a lot of MAD coins but at 180 degrees it usually shows a really thin rim as opposed to the thick or doubled looking rim. This one seemed more extreme on the doubled rim side compared to most I've ran across with little unusual on the opposing side of the coin. I looked through the glossary and it looked more like an off centered coin than a MAD coin. Any help would be appreciated.

Sorry for such a poor, worn example.

Thanks, Jon.

[11997755]

I have always had a hard time differentiating the two. Looking at yours, I would think it would be an off center strike since the offset appears on the obverse and reverse.

[VAB2013]

Since an off-center strike would show equally on both sides of the coin, I'm thinking yours is a misaligned die. I'm not real clear on the doubled rim or split rim and need some more coaching on this!

[makecents]

I have always had a hard time differentiating the two. Looking at yours, I would think it would be an off center strike since the offset appears on the obverse and reverse.

Thanks! I am clueless on this one and don't think I really know what the difference is after reading a couple of times. I don't think there is HUB Doubling though and I was getting the feeling there would be if it were off center.

[makecents]

Since an off-center strike would show equally on both sides of the coin, I'm thinking yours is a misaligned die. I'm not real clear on the doubled rim or split rim and need some more coaching on this!

Thanks Viv!! I'm leaning towards the MAD too but need help understanding the difference.

[VAB2013]

Thanks Viv!! I'm leaning towards the MAD too but need help understanding the difference.

Thank you Jon! Me too.. I could be wrong but to me your coin looks pretty normal on the reverse and mis-aligned on the obverse.

[11997755]

but need help understanding the difference

I need help as well...never really have figured out the difference.

[VAB2013]

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I need help as well...never really have figured out the difference.

That's what is so great about this forum so I'm glad you are posting finds and your thoughts on things! That is how we all learn! I am always second guessing myself too so don't worry about that

One of our pros will come along pretty soon and let us know for sure!

[jfines69]

Best I can tell is you have a slight MAD strike... On Error ref the off centers http://www.error-ref.com/?s=off+center+strike do not appear the same way as yours??? as compared to the MADs http://www.error-ref.com/?s=misaligned+die??? The best indicator for me is the obv NW quadrant with the extra rim... Is the diameter normal??? Also what does the edge of the coin look like???

[makecents]

Best I can tell is you have a slight MAD strike... On Error ref the off centers http://www.error-ref.com/?s=off+center+strike do not appear the same way as yours??? as compared to the MADs http://www.error-ref.com/?s=misaligned+die??? The best indicator for me is the obv NW quadrant with the extra rim... Is the diameter normal??? Also what does the edge of the coin look like???

Your making me think again Jim! It hurts! I took several pics but only came up with a few decent ones. As for the diameter of the coin, if it is any different, it's too little to tell. I used a random 87P as a test coin and the coin in question looks to be slightly thinner but I think it is only in the rim. The coin in question also has an odd rim that almost looks more like a proof rim than a business strike rim. What's funny though, if you look at the doubled rim area the inner strike looks like it was going to be like a normal business strike and the outer finished rim looks more like a proof. Let me know what you think.

[willbrooks]

Looks to be a textbook mis-aligned die strike to me. In 1982, they are immensely prevalent. Sometimes I think more are MAD than aren't. Just something they did routinely wrong that year.

[makecents]

I just ran across another MAD coin (a 79P) and took a pic of the edge of the coin. It also has a more square edge than a business strike normally would. Maybe something that happens to the rim when the die is misaligned when struck?

[makecents]

Looks to be a textbook mis-aligned die strike to me. In 1982, they are immensely prevalent. Sometimes I think more are MAD than aren't. Just something they did routinely wrong that year.

Thank you Will, it's nice to hear from you too! Did you see my question about the side of the rim being different, like a proof coin? Maybe something that occurs with a MAD coin?

[jfines69]

On your 87 the squared off rim/edge is most likely due to extra metal pushing toward the collar due to the die alignment... With no place to go but out it will square off... I can not tell for sure on the 79 but it would be the same principle!!!

[GrumpyEd]

Some years have a lot of this, 71, 72, 82.

No idea why those years have so much.