1995P-1DER-022T 350 degrees

[KLFenstermaker]

Can anybody help identify this? First T looks like it has a broken top bar, other letters in STATES and motto have a strange wave in the tops of the lettering. First pic is a normal one, second and third are the coin in question. TIA
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[makecents]

I would say it's some sort of plating disturbance. You can see it all around the areas in question in the fields. Let's see what some of the more knowledgeable folks say though. Here is a link to Error-Ref, lots of good info on there. (http://www.error-ref.com/?s=plating+disturbance)

[Jacob]

Thats a trail die you can learn about them on traildies.com.

[makecents]

Thats a trail die you can learn about them on traildies.com.Thanks Jacob!! Will and Bob were just talking about this particular trail a few weeks ago on another post and I didn't pick up on it.

Post #46 (http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?43445-1985-and-1986-picture-request/page5)

[VAB2013]

Thanks Jacob!! Will and Bob were just talking about this particular trail a few weeks ago on another post and I didn't pick up on it.

Post #46 (http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?43445-1985-and-1986-picture-request/page5)

I'm thinking it's not a trail die. Bob was referencing the 1986 and this is a 1995. I'm really not sure what it is though?

[GrumpyEd]

I think it may be a trail die, it also has a linear pattern in the plating but it's not in the direction of the trails and makes them hard to see.

To verify it, we need a full coin shot or at least get the tops of the columns, if they have the sawtooth shape then it's s a trail for sure.

[makecents]

I'm thinking it's not a trail die. Bob was referencing the 1986 and this is a 1995. I'm really not sure what it is though?Sorry Viv, I misspoke. I just meant the same type with the bumps above the T's in STATES.

[makecents]

I think it may be a trail die, it also has a linear pattern in the plating but it's not in the direction of the trails and makes them hard to see.

To verify it, we need a full coin shot or at least get the tops of the columns, if they have the sawtooth shape then it's s a trail for sure.I kind of looks like a late die stage of this guy.
1995P-1DER-022T

(http://www.traildies.com/1995p-1der_021-030/)

After looking some more, I've seen several that are very similar. You would definitely need to check for the markers they show to verify which one it is. Here is another to check out. 1995P-1DER-040T (http://www.traildies.com/1995p-1der_031-040/)

[jfines69]

Cool looking... EPLURIBU looks like trails to just N of NW... I can not tell on the S UNUM... The Ts of STATES may be the crossover trails that Will mentioned but I can not tell if those are gas bubbles or knubs from trails??? Along the top of STATES O it looks like some push or slide MD??? Here is some info on the push/slide MD from Error Ref http://www.error-ref.com/?s=push+machine+doubling

[VAB2013]

Sorry Viv, I misspoke. I just meant the same type with the bumps above the T's in STATES.

It's okay Jon, we are all just trying to help and I think it's great that you and also Jacob have chimed in to give us your thoughts. Here's why I think it's not a trail die. If you look at Ken's color image (#2) the tops of the devices of EPU look more cut in at the top like MD, then if you look at the black and white image (#3)... the tops of the devices of EPU are not showing up in the pic and the NW of those devices do look like stubby trails from a later die stage trail die... but what you are not seeing (that looks like MD) is actually there, just not showing up in the pic.

Ken this looks like a real shiny 1995 and that along with the plating disturbance, the glare makes pics hard to take! Can you post a few more pics with different lighting?

[Jacob]

I still believe its a trail die. Ive seen some similar ones that were in late stages looked like this. The only thing that keeps throwing me off is the numerous light sources used while taking the photo. When many light sources are used taking photos a coin will play tricks on us.

[KLFenstermaker]

Will get some more pics tomorrow. Thanks to everyone who has responded. Haven't been doing much with Lincolns since I started getting into varieties, so I am having some issues with good pics.

[GrumpyEd]

I still believe its a trail die. Ive seen some similar ones that were in late stages looked like this. The only thing that keeps throwing me off is the numerous light sources used while taking the photo. When many light sources are used taking photos a coin will play tricks on us.


And I still think you are right :)

[KLFenstermaker]

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OK, some hopefully better pics. Single light source, rotated coins to get the lighting from different angles

[VAB2013]

Thank you for the follow up pics Ken! Now I see the trail lines! Way to go Jacob for nailing this right off the bat! Sorry I was wrong about this one, but Jacob, Jon, Ed and Jim stood strong on their word and you guys are right!

[jfines69]

Thanks for the follow up pics... the S UNUM looks like trails but not as strong as EPLURIBU... Can you get a full obv and rev pic??? I still see push/slide MD on STATES O and it looks like the ED of UNITED also has it???

[KLFenstermaker]

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Here are the full pics. Don't know about this camera, just flipped the coin over and tones totally changed. Had to go with a different background to get something close.

Thanks for everyone's comments. Guess I need to get into trail dies now. Still have problems distinguishing MD with doubling, especially in worn coins. It is always a learning experience.

[willbrooks]

Sorry I missed this thread until now. That is definitely a trail die. I am doing attributions for those now. If you aren't sure if it is listed, you can send it to me for attribution if you like. Everyone, I'm not always able to view every thread these days, so feel free to PM me about such things to bring them to my attention. Thanks.

[jfines69]

Nice full pics... A little lite reflection going but not bad at all... It can take a while to get the pics good... When I first started getting coin pics I would take hundreds of pics to get one good pic... At least they were digital :LOL_Hair: I hope you send it to Will for attribution... He is the pro on these!!!

[willbrooks]

I have this coin in hand. As Jon surmised earlier in the thread, it is in fact 1995 1DER-022T. Both markers are present. On this particular specimen, the plating is horrible and obfuscates the trails a bit. Very bubbly.
Ken, you can see that listing on this page. http://www.traildies.com/1995p-1der_021-030/

[jfines69]

Awesome... Thanks for the update Will... I update the header info and thread title!!!