2017 P DDO?

[makecents]

It's very seldom I even look at the DDO/DDR shields anymore unless they are extreme but this one got my attention for some reason. I don't think it the doubled working hub 001 and there are a few others that it is similar to but don't quite work either. It looks like there may be a little thickness to the date and there is definitely thickness to the verticals on LIBERTY. Sorry, even with the lights turned almost off, I was having issues. You can actually see the thickness better on the full coin shot. Nice reverse markers that are not known either.

Let me know if you think it's worth sending in.

Thanks, Jon.

[VAB2013]

Jon, do you think the date on this one has as much thickness as WDDO-005? I can tell that the left arm of the Y is thicker than the right but it's difficult for me to tell extra thickness unless I have a cent in hand and can compare them to others of the same date & MM.

[makecents]

Jon, do you think the date on this one has as much thickness as WDDO-005? I can tell that the left arm of the Y is thicker than the right but it's difficult for me to tell extra thickness unless I have a cent in hand and can compare them to others of the same date & MM.Well Big Dawg(which you definitely are), what do you say, I send it to you so you can see what I'm seeing but cannot get picturefied. Picturefied, I like it! And no, not seeing a lot on the date, maybe the 7 and that could be a combination of deterioration and circulation.

[VAB2013]

Thank you Jon for your nice compliment! I'd be more than happy to help you picturefy if you'd like to send it to me. One thing that has me stumped is on your full coin shot the date looks similar to WDDO-004 to me but the close up is kinda washed out. Wexler's example of this one (http://doubleddie.com/2318537.html) (WDDO-004) is unfortunately not a great example with some staining making the details of Liberty hard to see but it looks like the left arm of the Y is thicker (like yours)... and low and behold... WDDO-004 has no stinking markers! We have to love this hobby to make it through times like this!

[jfines69]

As with all shields dangit :LOL_Hair: The best I can do is minor extra thickness on the RTY with the west arm of the Y thicker than the east... After that it is a typical shield :LOL_Hair:

[makecents]

I fought this thing for quite some time on the closeups. I did look closely at 004 and tried to find some small gouges to compare but as you said, not the best example. Let me work on the closeups this evening before I aggravate you with it Viv, maybe change up my lighting. You are definitely the shield specialist and always like to get your take!:)

[makecents]

As with all shields dangit :LOL_Hair: The best I can do is minor extra thickness on the RTY with the west arm of the Y thicker than the east... After that it is a typical shield :LOL_Hair:Thanks for looking Jim!! I kind of wish I had not even slowed down when I came to this one, I have let so many 2017's mess with me.

[VAB2013]

I fought this thing for quite some time on the closeups. I did look closely at 004 and tried to find some small gouges to compare but as you said, not the best example. Let me work on the closeups this evening before I aggravate you with it Viv, maybe change up my lighting. You are definitely the shield specialist and always like to get your take!:)

I understand fighting with these Jon, these Shield cents can really push you to your limits... but in doing so they also help us to learn things like different lighting techniques and comparison shots that will help show extra thickness. That is the extra thickness you saw when you first saw this one under the scope and you just knew it was "something". You see that and know that, and it's hard for us to tell because we didn't experience what you did. Maybe a side by side comparison will help. Just like 2017P WHHO-001 is significantly thicker at RTY than WHHO-002. When you see those two side by side you can really tell.

[makecents]

I understand fighting with these Jon, these Shield cents can really push you to your limits... but in doing so they also help us to learn things like different lighting techniques and comparison shots that will help show extra thickness. That is the extra thickness you saw when you first saw this one under the scope and you just knew it was "something". You see that and know that, and it's hard for us to tell because we didn't experience what you did. Maybe a side by side comparison will help. Just like 2017P WHHO-001 is significantly thicker at RTY than WHHO-002. When you see those two side by side you can really tell.Alright Shield Specialist, I did the best I could, see what ya think. I'm just now looking at the pics too, so I'll do some comparing to listings.

Wexler link (http://doubleddie.com/2318537.html)


Still looking but I think it's WDDO-001. Check out the small die crack on the just west of center area of the vertical on the "T" of LIBERTY. Given the huge crack at the southeast corner of the shield, I would assume a much later stage.

[VAB2013]

Alright Shield Specialist, I did the best I could, see what ya think. I'm just now looking at the pics too, so I'll do some comparing to listings.

Wexler link (http://doubleddie.com/2318537.html)


Still looking but I think it's WDDO-001. Check out the small die crack on the just west of center area of the vertical on the "T" of LIBERTY. Given the huge crack at the southeast corner of the shield, I would assume a much later stage.

Jon, last night when I got home from work I looked at your photos for about 30 minutes. I was looking at the small die crack just west of the center of the vertical on the T of Liberty. I was not feeling 100% on that because Wexler's die crack looks more to the west going NNW at the top, at the horizontal. But then I thought, it could be lighting making that look different. Also... on Wexler's close up of ERTY the TY looks to have some minor notching on the lower right of TY but that could be lighting as well.

Then... wake up this morning and you have found some obverse markers! Jon, I think those obverse markers look good! The only thing I am curious about is what happened to that die chip on the reverse above E of EPU since your reverse appears to be a later die state. I'm going to think on this and come back :)

Added: Okay, been thinking... I think it's possible that that tiny die chip on the reverse left of the Shield above the E of EPU could have been smoothed over just enough by circulation wear that it's just not wanting to show up in pics.

[makecents]

Jon, last night when I got home from work I looked at your photos for about 30 minutes. I was looking at the small die crack just west of the center of the vertical on the T of Liberty. I was not feeling 100% on that because Wexler's die crack looks more to the west going NNW at the top, at the horizontal. But then I thought, it could be lighting making that look different. Also... on Wexler's close up of ERTY the TY looks to have some minor notching on the lower right of TY but that could be lighting as well.

Then... wake up this morning and you have found some obverse markers! Jon, I think those obverse markers look good! The only thing I am curious about is what happened to that die chip on the reverse above E of EPU since your reverse appears to be a later die state. I'm going to think on this and come back :)

Added: Okay, been thinking... I think it's possible that that tiny die chip on the reverse left of the Shield above the E of EPU could have been smoothed over just enough by circulation wear that it's just not wanting to show up in pics.Thanks for taking time to look Viv!! All I can say, is Will has taught you well and I am still learning, (slow learner). I'm actually still trying to figure out why I even gave this one a second look, I'm horrible about latching onto one sometimes. I am so glad you took time to take a look at this one, and I really think you are the best at these stinking shields. I'm actually not sure if any of the markers are even there and may even put this one on the backburner for now. I really hate when I get one like this, nothing definite, in any way shape or form....

[VAB2013]

Thanks for taking time to look Viv!! All I can say, is Will has taught you well and I am still learning, (slow learner). I'm actually still trying to figure out why I even gave this one a second look, I'm horrible about latching onto one sometimes. I am so glad you took time to take a look at this one, and I really think you are the best at these stinking shields. I'm actually not sure if any of the markers are even there and may even put this one on the backburner for now. I really hate when I get one like this, nothing definite, in any way shape or form....

Thank you very much Jon and you are welcome! I think your marker photos do have potential for solving this one, I saw just enough to make me think so! I also think that you are I are a lot alike - we don't like to feel defeated at our own game. Once a Lincoln gets our attention, it doesn't matter if it's a minor or a major, what matters is trying to figure it out! There is nothing wrong with putting ones like this on the back burner and revisiting it later. I think we all have a few like that!

[jfines69]

The crack on your T of LIBERTY is really close but the reflection is making it difficult to tell for sure??? I can not tell if you have any other markers... By the way you just don't like getting beat by a little ole penny... That's why you can't pass it up :LOL_Hair:

[makecents]

The crack on your T of LIBERTY is really close but the reflection is making it difficult to tell for sure??? I can not tell if you have any other markers... By the way you just don't like getting beat by a little ole penny... That's why you can't pass it up :LOL_Hair:Thanks for looking Jim!! Stinking 2017's, they have plagued me more than any other shield.:) You're right, I just can't give sometimes, not sure if that's a good thing or not....

[makecents]

Thanks Kevin!!

[jfines69]

Thanks for looking Jim!! Stinking 2017's, they have plagued me more than any other shield.:) You're right, I just can't give sometimes, not sure if that's a good thing or not....
Sounds good to me :LOL_Hair:

[jfines69]

Thank you very much Jon and you are welcome! I think your marker photos do have potential for solving this one, I saw just enough to make me think so! I also think that you are I are a lot alike - we don't like to feel defeated at our own game. Once a Lincoln gets our attention, it doesn't matter if it's a minor or a major, what matters is trying to figure it out! There is nothing wrong with putting ones like this on the back burner and revisiting it later. I think we all have a few like that!
Yes - It's called the Aggravation Can (AG) :LOL_Hair: