1983 D new RPM?

[makecents]

When I first looked at this one, I thought it was damage but with closer examination, it would appear to be an RPM with CCW rotation. The closest I could find was cc's 002 and tried to do an overlay but was having issues with sizing it properly. Let me know what you think.

cc (http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diest...&die_state=mds)

VV (http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20R...Ms%201983D.htm)

Wexler no listings or not updated

Thanks.
Jon.

[Roller]

I'm in the RPM camp. Don't know about the listing.

[jfines69]

Looks like a RPM to me also... I will need to take a closer look a little later... I do not think it is VVs 002 as your MM looks to far west??? Definitely not CCs 002 as CCs is a tilted yours is CCW!!!

[makecents]

Thanks George and Jim!! Sorry, Jim, I had the wrong link for VV, cc's 002 was the closest I saw. I know T just had a thread on this (http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...ch-descriptors) . Am I using the correct terminology for mine?

[jfines69]

Thanks George and Jim!! Sorry, Jim, I had the wrong link for VV, cc's 002 was the closest I saw. I know T just had a thread on this (http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...ch-descriptors) . Am I using the correct terminology for mine?

It looks rotated CCW to me and not tilted... There is sometimes a difference of opinion on the actual rotation or tilt of a RPM between the pros... I did a quick overlay of CCs 001 and VVs 002 and they appear to match up however CC shows it as a CW rotation but VV shows a CCW... I would like to try an overlay of yours... I do not think yours is listed on CC or VV???

[makecents]

It looks rotated CCW to me and not tilted... There is sometimes a difference of opinion on the actual rotation or tilt of a RPM between the pros... I did a quick overlay of CCs 001 and VVs 002 and they appear to match up however CC shows it as a CW rotation but VV shows a CCW... I would like to try an overlay of yours... I do not think yours is listed on CC or VV???

That would be great Jim, have at it! I tried to do and overlay but was having issues. cc's 002 was the closest in my opinion. Thank you for your help.

[mustbebob]

It definitely has RPM possibilities. I am interested in seeing what Jim's overlay shows.

[jfines69]

That would be great Jim, have at it! I tried to do and overlay but was having issues. cc's 002 was the closest in my opinion. Thank you for your help.

Cool... Thanks for letting me do them... I will get the overlays up in the morning!!!

[makecents]

It definitely has RPM possibilities. I am interested in seeing what Jim's overlay shows.

Thank you for taking a look Bob!! I am looking forward to seeing Jim's work too.

[joel]

Definitely an eye catcher you have there Jon!! Looks like something special!! Good luck, you deserve it!!

[makecents]

Definitely an eye catcher you have there Jon!! Looks like something special!! Good luck, you deserve it!!

Thank you Larry!! We'll see!

[jfines69]

Finally got them completed... With permission from Copper Coins and Bobs continued support as well with permission from Variety Vista and Dr. Wiles continued support I did 5 overlays for Jons coin - I used CCs 001, 002 and 008 along with VVs 001 and 002...

The first 2 overlays are Jons coin over CCs 001 and VVs 002 (Since there is no cross reference I included both to show they are the same die) and with the MMs, rims and jacket aligned the date falls to the SE...

Next is CCs 002 and with the MM, jacket and rim aligned the date slides west and rotated...

Next is CCs 008 and VVs 001 (these also appear to be the same RPM) and with the date, rim and jacket aligned the MM slides SW...

Pending an in hand confirmation from one of the pros, in my opinion Jons is a new RPM... Hopefully it can be confirmed... Thanks for letting me do the overlays!!!

[makecents]

Very nice work Jim, thank you!! VV's 001 and cc's 008 are much closer in location than I first realized. I guess I did not pay much attention, because of the different type of RPM. Well, I guess this may be the one that makes me start sending in some of my possible new varieties. Who would you guys suggest me sending them to right now. I'm not sure where things are with cc, VV and Wexler. I was not sure if cc was accepting and I know you guys have said Mr. Wexler has been in bad health.

[mustbebob]

Well done Jim. My first impression is that it very well may be a new variety. Great work!

[joel]

Two excellent jobs well done by Jon and Jim!! Special congrats to both of you!!