1969 D 1c new column bar DDR?

[CoinHI]

I've submitted this coin to Dr. Dan Griffin for attribution and am waiting to hear back. What do you guys think?

[willbrooks]

Hi, Greg,
Well, yeah, it's yet another one of those centrally located doubled dies, if you're into that sort of thing. I, for one, have no interest in having 80000 of these in my collection, but to each their own. Dr. Dan is your man. He is the most thorough person I've ever known. If it's a new variety, I think he'd list it.
Good luck with it.

[makecents]

Welcome to the LCF, Greg, it's nice to see you come over! We'll see what the pros think and Doc will definitely know, when he gets a chance to check it out.

Not sure what to think. It's unusual looking, for doubling at the column though. My worry, is it may be misplace metal, possibly from long ago, that's been smoothed over.

Jon.

[CoinHI]

Thanks Jon and Will! It is strange looking for this era of cents. I don't think there is a similar looking column bar until you get to the late 90's (single squeeze) and then yes, they are quite monotonous. If it does turn out to be listed as a DDR I think it would be a nice prototype column bar unless I'm overlooking a listing somewhere.

[Petespockets55]

Aloha and welcome!
Glad to see you here as well, with your excellent images and interesting finds.

It will be interesting to see how this one turns out.
I see some kind of die event. It's hard to convince myself it's a secondary column because of how narrow it is and because it's not parallel to the column.

[CoinHI]

Thanks P55! You might be right that it's a die event, stay tuned.

[mustbebob]

Based on the year of this coin, I would question whether or not is a column bar cent. Those monotonous column bar cents were formed during the single squeeze hubbing, and many of you caught on to that earlier. This die was formed using the old multiple hub process. Either way, there is definitely something there that may be a gouge or dent of some sort. We will see what Dr. Dan thinks.

[CoinHI]

Thanks Bob, I agree with what you point out. For the record though there are two gouge/dent looking DDR's listed for the 69D, 1969-D 1¢ WDDR-001 and DDR-001. Interestingly one is on the ceiling and the other on the floor. Would be strange if a third was on the column central.

[mustbebob]

I hear you and I am very aware of the dies you reference. There are a few other years where this 'gouge like' anomaly is attributed as a doubled die (1972D comes to mind) Of the two you reference as well as the others like them, I am not convinced they are doubled dies. I try to envision how they are formed on a multi hub hubbing, and I can't picture it.
HOWEVER, I will strongly insist that this is my opinion only. The other attributers think differently, and that's why they are listed. I respect that as I am very sure there are many dies I have listed that are questionable to some people. I do hope Dan can make a call on this one for you. As many coins as I have looked at over the years, I can not remember seeing this one at all.

[willbrooks]

Good points, Bob. I'm of the opinion that those formed during the single squeeze era were actually a start to a squeeze, then backed off and repositioned, and then squeezed for good. (Like all of those extra fingers and such). If that's true, then this could have happened any time, just like all of those eyelids Larry finds. I'm just speculating though.

[hasfam]

It really does look like a die dent to me. It will be interesting to see what is said after the examination. And who is Dr. Dan Griffin? I'm drawing a blank. Must be old age.

[CoinHI]

If it is a die dent, then the other listed DDR's become more suspect. This is roughly the same size and shape as those DDR's and other experts have their suspicions already. If there are three separate die dents this year, all ocurring at the Denver mint, all centrally located around Abe, what would the likely explanation be then?

hasfam- Dr. Griffin is an variety attributer for Doubleddie.com. He posts under the name CentMD here I believe.

[Petespockets55]

... Dr. Griffin is an variety attributer for Doubleddie.com. He posts under the name CentMD here I believe.

Yepper. Dr. Dan (CentMd) is "our" man.

[hasfam]

[QUOTE=hasfam- Dr. Griffin is an variety attributer for Doubleddie.com. He posts under the name CentMD here I believe.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I didn't know that.

[RatherFish]

Good discussion

[jfines69]

Thanks. I didn't know that.
He is an actual medical doctor also!!!

[jfines69]

Cool... Not sure... I do notice that the inside of both columns (C6 and C7) on yours appear to be bowed outwards... Wexlers (http://doubleddie.com/814723.html) and VVs (http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1969DDDR001.htm) DDRs for 69D have a bow only on C7 but their DDRs are at the roof and floor respectively!!!

[CoinHI]

I'm happy to say this has now been listed as 1969-D 1c WDDR-002 http://doubleddie.com/814723.html

There are now three different "bar" or "slant" DDR (https://www.coincommunity.com/dictionary/coins_d.asp?define=DDR)'s listed for this year (1969-D WDDR-001, WDDR-002, & DDR-001). They all look similar yet are in slightly different locations around the statue. I wonder what happened at the Denver mint to cause this?

[willbrooks]

I'm happy to say this has now been listed as 1969-D 1c WDDR-002 http://doubleddie.com/814723.html

There are now three different "bar" or "slant" DDR (https://www.coincommunity.com/dictionary/coins_d.asp?define=DDR)'s listed for this year (1969-D WDDR-001, WDDR-002, & DDR-001). They all look similar yet are in slightly different locations around the statue. I wonder what happened at the Denver mint to cause this?

People hate it when I'm right, which is pretty much always. :LOL_Hair: Teasing!

[jfines69]

Congrats on the new listing!!!

[makecents]

Very cool, Greg, congrats on the new listing! Nice markers for this one too.

[mustbebob]

Congrats on the new listing. I am sure Dr. Dan saw something convincing in order to list it. Well done!