1993-p ddo ????

[Wayne]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/zipbangdoodle/1993PObverse1.png

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/zipbangdoodle/1993PObverse2.png

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/zipbangdoodle/1993PObverse3.png

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/zipbangdoodle/1993PObverse4.png

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/zipbangdoodle/1993PObverse5.png

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/zipbangdoodle/1993PObverse6.png

[jcuve]

While the pictures are pretty large, they are not clear enough for me to say for certain, but if you're referring to the face, I believe that is Machine Doubling.

[mustbebob]

It would sure help a lot Wayne, if you could make reference to, or point out the area you want us to look at. I can't tell either, but I may not be looking at the right place.

[Wayne]

Many DDO attributions refer to "extra thickness".....this coin has alot of extra thickness on the beard area.

the coin appears to have 2 eyes.

the "step" you see on the nose and neck is also at the top of the head.

i didnt see any 1993-P DDO's listed so i have no other pics to look at.

[thecentcollector]

I see no extra thickness in the beard area. Eyes... that could be PMD or MDD. The "step" could refer to a plating issue (common in 1993). Positive judgement can't be made without clearer pics.

[trails]

Hi Wayne,
I can somewhat see what you are referring to. However, your pictures are to blurred when magnified to see the details. What you need is to send this to an attributer to see what you have.

BJ Neff

[jcuve]

Extra thickness (Class VI) is strongest on the perimeter of the die - you'll see it in LIBERTY, the date and motto but not so much the central design elements. There is some Class IX (or VIII) examples in the single squeeze era that show thickness in the central design but I don't think that is what is happening here...

[Wayne]

Extra thickness is what got my attention this morning when i found a:

2001P-1DO-001 aka
coneca 1-0-VIII
crawford CDDO-001

It's an exact match including tiny dots in a couple of different places.
anyway..............

if you look at these 2 pics you can see that the edge of the beard and the lip have a ton of extra metal compared to a regular 1993.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/zipbangdoodle/Comparision.png

[Steven]

I'm thinking that in the area of the chin that it appears as mechanical damage such as ejection doubling. Can't be sure though.

[jcuve]

On the fourth picture from the top I am fairly certain I see Machine Doubling on the profile...

[mustbebob]

This is interesting Wayne. Even though I am leaning toward machine doubling as well, there are many things that can cause extra thickness. One of them is die wear. If possible, could you send this coin to either BJ or myself so we can have a look? I would rather look at it in hand before making a final determination.

[Wayne]

Sure Bob.....where do i send it?

[trails]

This is the link for either my or Bob's address.

http://www.coppercoins.com/attribution.php

BJ Neff