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CCC
Wheat Cents
03-28-2008, 04:06 PM
Type 2 or Type II on Ty-2 = Wide A M (commonly refered to as proof style reverse.)
Type 1 or Type I or Ty-1 = Close AM
http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/_Ty-2_Reverse_Cent_Varieties.htm
I beleive this is the case on all dates exhibiting Wide and Close "AM"
It is NOT refering to two kinds of WIDE A M reverses.
Thank's Wheat. Are these as rare as Ken Potter states? This is a old article. Am I correct in saying that 1999 Wide AM is much rarer than 98.
CCC
ANACS calls them "Type 2 Rev 'Proof' hub "
Wheat Cents
03-28-2008, 05:22 PM
1998 and 2000 are common you can pick them up cheap. But you just stick to it and keep looking you'll probably find those two. eBay sellers are seller those two as pairs and you can pick up AUs for $10 bucks a pair.
Back when the 2000 first hit the street Global even got involved and certified lots of that date. I bought three 2000 beauties MS 65s for $15 bucks a piece and a 1998 Wide AM PCI MS66 beauty for $20 ( think it is in my albums )
You are correct . At this moment in time there are fewer 1999 than 1998 or 2000.
Rare? Some said the 2000s were rare... then the 1998s were rare... in 1996 the 1995 DDO was rare. New discoveries are always low in population in the beginning. I'd prefer reserving that term for a few more years down the line.
I have a a few 1998 and 2000s loose in 2x2 snaps which were found in change. They are circulated but photograph better on my cheesy microscope because a can get better focus if the coin is not slabbed. I'll post then in a bit.
Wheat Cents
03-28-2008, 05:59 PM
Here are pics of the 1998 and 2000 plucked from our family's penny jar. She and I fill it ... I get around to looking through 'em... then she brings back to the bank. The cyle is endless.
Also a pic of that Global I spoke of. They got into the act early on and certified lots of the 2000s. That 2000 is beauty in its own right.
In my opinion , none of these are rare.
Shingpumps
03-28-2008, 07:16 PM
I've found over 100 2000 wides. I've actually found more 99 wides than 98s.
For what its worth, In a year and a half I have found about 20 2000 wide, 6 1998, and 1 1999. I search about $10.00 per day, here in CT.
Wheat Cents
03-28-2008, 07:42 PM
I'd say that testimony in and of itself bears out fact that WIDE AMs are not rare. Certainly not as common as close AM counterparts , but with billions minted ... There are lots of 'em out there...
I've sold or traded a few for $5-$10 to people whose time is more valuable than mine. I think I make about 2 cents an hour for my time. (If that.) I guess if I sell the 1999 it will give me a small raise.:angel:
I've sold or traded a few for $5-$10 to people whose time is more valuable than mine. I think I make about 2 cents an hour for my time. (If that.) I guess if I sell the 1999 it will give me a small raise.:angel:
I think you may be right!:)
CCC
Wheat Cents
03-28-2008, 08:14 PM
Yep… “Another Day Another Fifty-Cents”
I've sold or traded a few for $5-$10 to people whose time is more valuable than mine. I think I make about 2 cents an hour for my time. (If that.) I guess if I sell the 1999 it will give me a small raise.:angel:
I think it might be a fine raise!:)
CCC
Shing: I'll trade you 3 1998s for one 1999.:angel:
Shingpumps
03-28-2008, 09:20 PM
Here are pics of the 1998 and 2000 plucked from our family's penny jar. She and I fill it ... I get around to looking through 'em... then she brings back to the bank. The cyle is endless.
Also a pic of that Global I spoke of. They got into the act early on and certified lots of the 2000s. That 2000 is beauty in its own right.
In my opinion , none of these are rare.
That global is a beut. I like that slab, very nice.
Wheat Cents
03-28-2008, 09:32 PM
Thanks...
The guy had like 20 of 'em I pulled three of the best.
Whats the old saying? Buy the coin not the holder..cause it is what it is.
Wheat Cents
04-20-2008, 07:58 PM
Forum memebers... If you are looking for either the 2000 wide AM or the 1998 wide AM. G.J Lawson is advertising circs for sale for a buck and buck fifty cents. He as a noted variety dealer and is the greatest guy to deal with. If you have not met him you should. Pick up the April 2008 Coinworld or Numismaic News look in the back under calssifieds Lincoln Cents for Lawson - Hampton VA.
That global is a beut. I like that slab, very nice.
I like the Global too! Very nice!
I average coming across the '98 Wide AM about one per $50 searching circulated rolls. The '00 is about $150 worth. Of course the '99 is a totally different story. So far I have come across 5 of them.
I talked with another collector in the northeast and it's the opposite for him. He finds the '00 more than the '98. But he can't find the '99.
The reason why the '99 is more difficult to locate is only four reverse dies are known so far. The '98 and '00 has been documented, so far, to have 18 and 20 reverse dies respectively. It appears the '98 and '00 was a full box of proof reverse dies mistakenly used on the production floor. However, the '99 Wide AM was discovered to actually be a carry-over on a quad press (hence the four dies) during the transition of the 1998 to 1999 production change-out.
Billy
car10
04-24-2008, 08:08 PM
... the '99 Wide AM was discovered to actually be a carry-over on a quad press (hence the four dies) during the transition of the 1998 to 1999 production change-out.
Billy
So the '99 wide AM's were the first cents out of the 5.2 billion to be struck of that year?
So the '99 wide AM's were the first cents out of the 5.2 billion to be struck of that year?
You are correct. Conversely, the 1998 Wide AMs were produced at the end of the production year.
Another major factor in why the 99 Wide AMs are rarer is that they didn't make a full production run with the obverse being dated 99. Part of that production run is with the obverse being dated 98. Also, one of the reverses has a significant die crack which probably ended that particular Wide AM reverse working die's life even sooner.
Billy
THE PENNY MAN
04-25-2008, 09:38 AM
I have (21) 1998 wide "AM"s, (19) 2000 wide "AM"s, and (1) 1999 wide "AM" and found them all in circulated rolls from my local bank.
Patrick
Wheat Cents
04-25-2008, 03:55 PM
Hold on to your 1999 wideAM . At this point in time it is 100 Xs more infrequent than all your 2000s and 1998s combined.
Shingpumps
04-25-2008, 04:58 PM
So far I've found 14 1999 wide ams and two 92D Close AMs.
So far I've found 14 1999 wide ams and two 92D Close AMs.
Talk about having ALL the luck! Must be nice they are in your area.
Billy
Billy, have you found any 92D close am's ??
car10
04-25-2008, 05:34 PM
You are correct. Conversely, the 1998 Wide AMs were produced at the end of the production year.
Another major factor in why the 99 Wide AMs are rarer is that they didn't make a full production run with the obverse being dated 99. Part of that production run is with the obverse being dated 98. Also, one of the reverses has a significant die crack which probably ended that particular Wide AM reverse working die's life even sooner.
Billy
That is fascinating. Where else are you going to get this kind of information?
Billy, have you found any 92D close am's ??
Unfortunately, here in SC I don't see very many D-Mint coins. So, no joy yet on the 92-D with reverse of '93. But, I can say that it's not from a lack of trying! :(
Billy
I get mostly D's here...I have seen some bright red 1992 D's too. But they refuse to have the reverse of 93.