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  • JeanK
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 5696

    #1

    Another challenge

    Okay now. I cannot quite decided if this is WDDR-001/CDDR-002/2-R-VIII, or WDDR-050/CDDR-049/1DR-017.
    The problem is, there are no matching markers to any of the coins I have examined on the websites or cd book. I believe this coin might be different because: 1. The anomaly extends beyond the end of the thumb.
    2. There seems to be a sharper bend in the anomaly than the other pictures I see posted on the websites and cd.
    Please let me know if you agree, or if not.
    Thanks for checking,
    Jean
  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #2
    Nice DDR find Jean! Are there die markers found on your coin not listed by anyone, and does your coin not exhibit any of the markers given by any of the 4 attributers for the 2 dies (which is what it sounds like)? It sure looks very similar to both dies you mentioned. It may have to be sent out if the markers don't match up at all; maybe it is a new one.



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    • JeanK
      Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 5696

      #3
      Thank You Jason! You are so knowledgeable!
      I will see if there are any markers at all on this coin and get back to LCR when I make a determination, or not.
      This attribution exercise has been quite a challenge and not something I would want to do as a job... phew!
      Jean

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      • JeanK
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 5696

        #4
        Another challenge

        Adding to the pictures of the coin that could be a new die (fingers crossed), are the only two places on the reverse of the coin that might be die markers.
        There is what appears to be a horizontal die break on the middle of the mallet just left of the handle. The second picture actually has what appears to be a rounded chip under the second upright of the N in UNUM.

        The obverse has no die breaks in the hair, no chips, and no die scratches in the field which match either of the two possible examples. The reverse does not have the shoulder die chips mentioned in that description.
        This is the best I can do with the possible die markers for this coin.
        Thanks again for checking.
        Jean
        Last edited by JeanK; 07-11-2010, 09:33 AM. Reason: clarification

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        • koinmon
          Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 2207

          #5
          WAY TO GO JEAN ANOTHER NICE FIND.
          George

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          • dvn

            #6
            Originally posted by JeanK
            Adding to the pictures of the coin that could be a new die (fingers crossed), are the only two places on the reverse of the coin that might be die markers.
            There is what appears to be a horizontal die break on the middle of the mallet just left of the handle. The second picture actually has what appears to be a rounded chip under the second upright of the N in UNUM.

            The obverse has no die breaks in the hair, no chips, and no die scratches in the field which match either of the two possible examples. The reverse does not have the shoulder die chips mentioned in that description.
            This is the best I can do with the possible die markers for this coin.
            Thanks again for checking.
            Jean
            Jean,

            It's either a much earlier die state with none of the markers matching or it's a possible new one!

            Is there a possibility I could examine to make a determination?

            Regards,
            Billy (dvn)

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            • JeanK
              Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 5696

              #7
              2009P FY challenge

              Hi Billy,
              I would be honored to have you check this coin for me.
              Should I send it to you right away?
              Thank you ever so much,
              Jean

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              • RWBILLER
                Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 6870

                #8
                cool cool cool
                roger
                Roger
                ""Time and Tide wait for no man"

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                • eaxtellcoin
                  Paid Member

                  • Jan 2008
                  • 2086

                  #9
                  Hi Gene, The position matches my #50, let see what Billy says on die stage... Eric

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                  • dvn

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JeanK
                    Hi Billy,
                    I would be honored to have you check this coin for me.
                    Should I send it to you right away?
                    Thank you ever so much,
                    Jean
                    Jean,

                    If, by chance, it turned out to be a different one (I'm not saying either way because obviously we don't know yet), then it would be nice to have your coin illustrated in my shortly upcoming DVN issue #15. Which I'm doing monthly issues now instead of bi-monthly. It's up to you.

                    Billy (dvn)

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                    • JeanK
                      Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 5696

                      #11
                      Hi Billy,
                      Can you believe it, I found another one like it today. Soooo... will try to get it in the mail to you tomorrow. You can decide which one it is, and if different you have my permission to publish it.

                      Hey Eric,
                      Thanks bunches for your help. Let's see what die stage this might be if it is 050.
                      Jean

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                      • Duckhawk

                        #12
                        Nice one Jean. Are those photos from your QX5? I cannot capture anything like that on mine, the glare just blows away the sensor.

                        Mike

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                        • JeanK
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 5696

                          #13
                          Yes Mike, these are from the QX5 at 60X.
                          I taped a doubled piece of soft fabric-like cd cover over the bulb, which nearly eliminated the light altogether. So, I also use a desk top ott-lite for the main light source, and adjust it at varying heights over the coin while it is in position. Another trick is to use the slider light adjustment on the QX5 which helps to balance the glare. And, if all else fails, put the coin under the light right side up instead of the normal upside down microscope mode. I find this can help in directing the light to the area where you really want it.
                          Sorry this is so complicated.
                          Don't give up on the QX5 until you try some light filtering techniques. What works for me might not work for you.
                          Jean

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                          • dvn

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JeanK
                            Hi Billy,
                            Can you believe it, I found another one like it today. Soooo... will try to get it in the mail to you tomorrow. You can decide which one it is, and if different you have my permission to publish it.

                            Jean
                            Congrats! You're on a roll! Look forward to seeing the coin. Thanks...

                            Billy (dvn)

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                            • Duckhawk

                              #15
                              Thanks Jean, I will try some filters on the light, and maybe a second source (softer)
                              Good luck with that new coin, and thanks again

                              Mike

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