1969 s double die on ebay?

[jhracing08]

came across this on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1969-1969-S-S-LINCOLN-DOUBLE-DIE-FIERY-RED-UNCIR-COIN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a10Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem33525c014dQQitemZ220425093453QQptZCoinsQ5fUSQ5fIndividualQQsalenotsupported

double die or MD?

[kloccwork419]

MD..LOLOL..Very low starting bid it says!!..So much for being a coinologist..lol

[jhracing08]

MD..LOLOL..Very low starting bid it says!!..So much for being a coinologist..lol

lol Whats funny tho is somebody will probably be stupid enough to bid on it

[kloccwork419]

I messaged him but Im sure its pointless.

[jhracing08]

I messaged him but Im sure its pointless.

Haha yeah I bet, Just tell him to send it to PCGS or Heritage lol

[1sgret]

MD..LOLOL..Very low starting bid it says!!..So much for being a coinologist..lol

I see said the "Blind Man".

[jcuve]

Obvious, horrendous...undeniable MDD!
The seller is a fool, but anyone dumb enough to buy it is even a bigger fool...

[kloccwork419]

Dear kloccwork419,

I explain the doubling in my description.It is a very rare type of doubling.There are many opinions on doubling.HUB doubling and on and on.take your pick.you say damage.thats your opinion.if this coin was a complete double die in all locations.Do you really think I would have it on ebay starting at 350.00.So if you don't like it and think it is doubling damage.Please do not bid on it.
Thank you,
Coinomologist


- coinomologist

[hasfam]

It's really quite pathetic. At the same time, if an uninformed seller and an uninformed buyer want to exchange fistfuls of money, then so be it.

Rock

[kloccwork419]

Dear kloccwork419,

I changed the listing thank you for your info.I still think it is a very rare double and rpm.


- coinomologist

WOW..He took Die off the Double Die listing...

I noticed he makes all his auctions private also so you cant see what he already scammed people with

[jcuve]

Lottery ticket

The problem (in my opinion) is that this seller, and for that matter many others who offer coins like this, know, somewhere deep down, that it is garbage. They are simply rationalizing it to themselves just long enough to try and make a quick buck off someone else's ignorance.

(At least) once a month someone lists a DD that is supposedly a big one, like the 1955, 1969S, 1958 or a handful of others, with a buy-it-now price well below market price, maybe 10% or less. They offer the potential buyer the opportunity to claim a grand prize and frequently state, or insinuate, that the value (or price) of their coin is far higher than they are offering.

One only needs to ask themselves the following question: If you had a lottery ticket, from another state, which was a $100,000 winner, would you sell it on eBay for $10,000 just because you didn’t want go through the hassle of claiming the ticket yourself? Of course not! That’s what this is about. If you had a 1969S DDO you’d only need to call PCGS, NGC, Heritage (or any of dozens of other people/places) to figure out how to safely have it attributed and then sold for a great deal of money. YOU WOULD NOT SELL IT ON EBAY!

When you point out to a seller that their precious auction is erroneously listed, the sellers typically flip out. I have been called names, threatened, told off, belittled and so on for just mentioning my opinion to them. The last thing this seller, or the mountain of others needs, is to have their cash-cow derailed by someone armed with knowledge and common sense.

EBay will pull an inaccurately listed error coin if presented to them correctly, but, for whatever reason, they will not pull nonsensically listed varieties (like DDs or RPMs) – and I have no idea why. A two headed novelty coin, or a vice-job double-strike, are just as easy to spot as machine (strike) doubling sold as an RPM or a DD!

[jcuve]

I noticed he makes all his auctions private also so you cant see what he already scammed people with

Another sign of trouble from almost any coin seller.

...I'm glad he altered the listing, I was about to email him myself. Thanks Jason...

[jcuve]

It's really quite pathetic. At the same time, if an uninformed seller and an uninformed buyer want to exchange fistfuls of money, then so be it.

Rock

I disagree.
Ignorance begets ignorance. No one needs new collectors getting screwed and then either becoming (disinterested and angry and re-selling their acquired garbage) or that person suddenly starts selling new garbage because they don't know better. I have seen this happen. There was a woman listing a 1958 strike doubled coin for something like $7,000. I went over it with her and she later explained that her whole collection of DDOs & DDRs appeared to be either MDD or DDD - she had no idea. I went through her feedback and I could see which coins she had bought from which sellers. All of it was garbage.

[kloccwork419]

WOW..Check this out. I never said anything more to this guy since he changed his listing.

Dear kloccwork419,

Are you by any chance a friend of the Hoskins?Do tell them I said hello.I see your from Ohio.Maybe the DDO that you listed that I emailed you about stands for something other then Double Die Obverse.Because if that coin is a DDO then Mine is too.In fact mine looks much nicer than that circulated piece of junk you listed.I have blocked you now and ask that you not email me any more.I try to run my listings as honest as I can.Something that others who might be your friend clearly do not understand.So consider yourself blocked now and do not email me any more.Go believe everything that about.com has to say.There are many opinions out there and yours obviously is your right.But don't push them down my throat.Now go hassle someone else who cares.


- coinomologist


I dont even have any coins listed right now. This guy has issues.
I wish I knew what coin hes talking about. I went thru my past sales and cant even pull up a DDO anywhere.

[jcuve]

Jason:
He's a jerk. I too have had some really nasty replies lately. The husband and wife duo who listed that (strike doubled) Buffalo Nickel I posted a few weeks ago were just as bad as this guy. I thought about posting their responses (because they were outrageous) but figured I'd just let it go.

Another guy last week, instead of just posting or sending a few pics as I requested, went and copied the definitions of doubled die, MDD and DDD from a coin website and then pasted it all together, added a few words here and there, and acted like it was his own personal intelligent response. I know plagiarized text when I see it, and know how to find its origin BTW. It had to end. I apologized for ever having contacted him and posted the link to the website he copied all of the text from in my final message to him. Ridicoulous.