Error Die Crack | Nice Die cracks that are almost a huge CUD

[eaxtellcoin]

Morning All,
Here is a coin I found in a roll of circ RPM's. Look at the REV Die. I have a very good idea which die state this coin is but I wanted to get everyone else to think and have some ideas. At first don't go to VV and look for the unlisted stage. That's cheating. Look at the rim and devises of the coin. Let me know what you think



1944-D_RPM#2_M.M.jpg1944-D-REV.jpg1944-D-OBV.jpg1944-D-CUD-REV(2).jpg1944-D-CUD-REV.jpg

[willbrooks]

Eric, in your last photo, it looks more like a lamination error than a die crack, but I know pictures can be deceiving. It looks like EMDS to me, but again, that is tough to see flow lines in pics of a circulated brown cent. Anyway, that's a great find!

[eaxtellcoin]

Look above it Will. I didn't want to put arrows on the picture. That die crack Starts at the "E" to the West and loops around ending at the "L" to the West. It is very deceiving, the crack extends into the forth wheat grain on the left wheat / right side. I wish it was BU!!!!!

[Petespockets55]

Thanks Eric for taking the time to do this.

Very little deterioration on the letters towards the rim and some flow lines so I'm thinking MDS (Possibly EMDS like Will said).
I know some people look for the concentric die scratches at the field just before the rim (GOD image) but it seems like that isn't necessarily indicative of an EDS.


I would have thought lamination also because of the way it ends at E . P - It loops back south on the rim gutter and the edges look "ragged".

[eaxtellcoin]

I see what you both are seeing at the rim, "" how it flows partly into the unstruck rim. But a Lamination shouldn't collapse towards the base? I would agree someone in the past should have found this and reported it. Other parts show a very defined crack. Man I'm puzzled now.

[VAB2013]

Okay... the novice is going to take a stab at it! Eric, I'm thinking that your example is Stage A based on the lack of die flow lines I am seeing and I'm not seeing the die gouges at the last T of TRUST. Which leads me to wonder if the reverse die was changed before Stage B and that's why the anomaly on the reverse was not seen during the time of the listing since it starts at Stage B.

[jfines69]

That is cool looking... To me the dies look to be MEDS... The devices all look relatively sharp against the field and there does not appear to be the ramping up feature from the field to the rim between the outer devices and the rim especially at the L of LIBERTY for the obv and UNUM and the rim on the rev... On the rev I think you may have a combo of a crack that happens to be incorporated into a lamination... At the U of UNITED that looks like a crack... Going north from that point it looks like a crack up to the jog east of seed 7 where it looks like a lamination then again it looks like a crack until it reenters the the wheat stalk then a lamination from that point all the way up and around to the termination point west of the O in ONE!!!

[GrumpyEd]

That strip that loops back looks like a lamination.
It looks incuse along the edges and like it ends right there at the rim.

For some reason some laminations are linear like that.

[Petespockets55]

......... On the rev I think you may have a combo of a crack that happens to be incorporated into a lamination........... !

I thought the same but the crack would still show up on top of the lamination, wouldn't it?

[jfines69]

I thought the same but the crack would still show up on top of the lamination, wouldn't it?

Looking at pics 4 and 8 it looks like the crack starts runs for a bit then the lamination takes over runs a bit then back to the crack and so on... What may have occurred is a die crack developed and on this coin is was near the edge of a subsurface lamination... The strike may have caused the lamination to break loose slightly... Notice at the junction of the crack (pic 8) where it branches into 2, slightly NW of the U is a small hit... The hit may have perpetuated the splitting... Over time the edge of the lamination split open to what we see today... Hope that helps a bit!!!

[eaxtellcoin]

Sounds good to me all. Another one for the web page!!!