Coppercoins listing cross-references updates

[jay4202472000]

Coppercoins 1943S-1DR-001 will cross with Variety Vista 1943S-DDR-002. The 5 small die gouges above the left wheat stem are a match. Keep in mind VV has 2 obverse dies associated the the DDR. I have a stage B (DMR-016) that I had in an “unlisted” group and was finally able to match it up.

[jfines69]

Better get a couple cases of eggnogg for those 60D RPMs

[centMD]

I think I have discovered another error to add to the list, if it isn't in the next batch to Bob. Well, forum member Chugly discovered it. I just ran with it so I could find the correct cross reference. I received a coin from Chugly in a 2x2 labeled "1960D-RPM-061 NOT coppercoins 061." I checked it out & sure enough, it didn't match coppercoins 061. Coppercoins has 061 cross referenced as RPM-061 and WRPM-049. I'm not sure about Wexler's as I don't have images, but 1MM-061 doesn't match RPM-061. 1MM-061 is a good bit closer to the tail of the 9 than RPM-061. After an hour or two of research and overlays I have concluded:

CONECA - 1960D-RPM-061 & RPM-038 are duplicate listings.
Coppercoins - 1960D-1MM-038 matches both (CON) RPM-038 & 061
Coppercoins - 1960D-1MM-061 doesn't cross reference with any listed by CONECA

When you have a few free minutes, I'd love opinions.

CON 038 - http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20R...960DRPM038.htm
CON 061 - http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20R...960DRPM061.htm
CC 038 - http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds
CC 061 - http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds

I will make sure to check these out when I work my way up to the 1960 rpms. I haven't started on the memorial RPMs yet.

[jfines69]

CC 061 appears to be slightly farther north and rotated slightly CW compared to Variety Vistas 061... Also the split of the upper serif on CC appears slightly farther up the serif and VVs appears more centrally located... Not sure on the rest of the matches... To me CC 038 does not match either VV 038 or 061 and VV 038 is really close to 061???

[jay4202472000]

I think I have discovered another error to add to the list, if it isn't in the next batch to Bob. Well, forum member Chugly discovered it. I just ran with it so I could find the correct cross reference. I received a coin from Chugly in a 2x2 labeled "1960D-RPM-061 NOT coppercoins 061." I checked it out & sure enough, it didn't match coppercoins 061. Coppercoins has 061 cross referenced as RPM-061 and WRPM-049. I'm not sure about Wexler's as I don't have images, but 1MM-061 doesn't match RPM-061. 1MM-061 is a good bit closer to the tail of the 9 than RPM-061. After an hour or two of research and overlays I have concluded:

CONECA - 1960D-RPM-061 & RPM-038 are duplicate listings.
Coppercoins - 1960D-1MM-038 matches both (CON) RPM-038 & 061
Coppercoins - 1960D-1MM-061 doesn't cross reference with any listed by CONECA

When you have a few free minutes, I'd love opinions.

CON 038 - http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20R...960DRPM038.htm
CON 061 - http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20R...960DRPM061.htm
CC 038 - http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds
CC 061 - http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds

[centMD]

I love the idea of a master list once this project is "complete". I have 2 lists that could be used as a starting point. They list out every variety from 1909-date listed by either CONECA, Wexler, or Coppercoins. It is also up to date with all publicly listed cross-references. Keep in mind the total is 8000+ listings and 160 pages long at 9 point font. This would not be a short project.

[willbrooks]

When the work is "complete," we will definitely either do a sticky thread, or better yet, I am thinking a master list with its own page on the website here would be in order.

[centMD]

You are correct that there are more additions and corrections coming. I have a list of 70 with Bob right now, as well as a list of 160 with John Wexler right now pending. I also have a second list of 40 for Wexler once he gets through the current list. I am also still checking many years.

The idea of a sticky is interesting to me. I don't think these lists should be combined but instead, if a sticky is desired, that a new list should be created once the majority of listing updates are completed. For this I would combine the various updates in chronological order so it is easier to read.

The purpose of this list to me is to provide people the ability to use Coppercoins or Wexler and not have to worry about checking the other sites to look for cross-references. If you exclusively looked at Coppercoins for listings the past 10 years because they were the only site out there, then the coppercoins updates will be helpful. If you sent all your coins to John Wexler, the Wexler updates will be helpful. Unfortunately, CONECA doesn't list cross-references so if you exclusively use their website and CDs cross-references will be hard to come by.

Hopefully the updates allow people to attribute their coin in as many systems as possible. If you have coin A being 1DO-004 and don't see a listing on coppercoins for a Wexler or CONECA cross-reference you may assume there are none. Wexler may have listed that 1DO-004 is also WDDO-007 and DDO-002 though. I provide that cross-reference update on here once I get the listing officially added to the respective websites.

This list also provides new cross-references discovered by myself and other individuals. These are obviously more work but are probably more helpful as well. The majority of these listings are new and are simply me comparing between the 3 systems. It is not particularly hard but just takes time.

There is also one incorrect change on this list. 1937D-1DO-004 might or might not be DDO-002. This is being further looked at by Bob and is not ruled in or ruled out right now.

[Justafarmer]

How about combining this thread with the "Wexler Updates" thread into a single "Xref Update" thread and give it a sticky - just a suggestion - I am sure there are more updates to come in the future.

[centMD]

This list finishes up the coppercoins wheat cent listings. Make sure to update your master lists as needed. Coppercoins listings remaining to be checked include - 1959-1989 RPMs, 1960-1964-D doubled dies, 1999-2006 doubled dies, 2009 doubled dies.

Wexler listings are also being checked and I will update with those in the near future.

1909 1DR-006 is DDR-003
1925-S 1MM-006 is WRPM-006
1930-S 1MM-004 is WRPM-009
1937-D 1MM-004 is WRPM-010
1943-D 1MM-005 is not WRPM-005
1943-D 1MM-008 is WRPM-005 not WRPM-008
1943-D 1MM-011 is not RPM-011, WRPM-011
1943-D 1MM-012 is not RPM-012, WRPM-012
1943-D 1MM-019 is RPM-019, WRPM-017
1943-D 1MM-021 is WRPM-021
1943-S 1MM-008 is RPM-008, WRPM-008
1945-D 1MM-015 is RPM-015, WRPM-021
1945-D 1MM-019 is WRPM-016
1945-S 1MM-022 is not WRPM-031
1946-D 1MM-008 is WRPM-070
1946-D 1MM-019 is WRPM-048
1946-D 1MM-020 is WRPM-037
1946-D 1MM-026 is WRPM-069
1946-S 1MM-004 is not WRPM-006
1946-S 1MM-005 is WRPM-003 not WRPM-005
1946-S 1MM-011 is not WRPM-020
1946-S 1MM-015 is WRPM-020, not WRPM-011
1946-S 1MM-018 is not RPM-018 (unassigned), is RPM-033, WRPM-034
1946-S 1MM-023 is not WRPM-041
1946-S 1MM-033 was a duplicate of 1MM-018 (1MM-033 is unassigned now)
1946-S 1MM-034 is WRPM-045
1947-D 1MM-005 is not RPM-005, is RPM-008, WRPM-004
1947-D 1MM-010 is WRPM-019
1947-D 1MM-011 is WRPM-028
1947-S 1MM-004 is not FS-021.31, is WRPM-018
1947-S 1MM-007 is WRPM-006, FS-504
1948-D 1MM-011 is WRPM-009
1948-S 1MM-003 is WRPM-008 not WRPM-013
1949-D 1MM-019 is WRPM-002
1949-S 1MM-003 is not RPM-003, WRPM-012
1949-S 1MM-006 is not RPM-006, WRPM-006
1949-S 1MM-007 is not RPM-007, WRPM-015 is WRPM-036
1949-S 1MM-012 is WRPM-007
1950-D 1MM-007 is WRPM-008
1950-D 1MM-011 is RPM-007, WRPM-007
1950-D 1MM-012 is WRPM-009
1950-D 1MM-013 is WRPM-010
1950-S 1MM-013 is RPM-015
1950-S 1MM-016 is RPM-017
1951-D 1MM-023 is not RPM-023 (unassigned)
1952-D 1MM-012 is not RPM-012, WRPM-012
1952-D 1MM-017 is not RPM-017, WRPM-040
1952-D 1MM-019 is not RPM-019, WRPM-019
1952-S 1MM-011 is no longer RPM-011 (now replacement listing)
1952-S 1MM-014 is not RPM-014, WRPM-010
1952-S 1MM-017 is not RPM-017, WRPM-023
1952-S 1MM-017 is RPM-011
1952-S 1MM-018 is not RPM-018, WRPM-012
1952-S 1MM-018 is RPM-022
1952-S 1MM-020 is RPM-019
1953-D 1MM-028 is RPM-024
1953-S 1MM-009 is not RPM-009, WRPM-008
1953-S 1MM-011 is not RPM-011, WRPM-010
1953-S 1MM-021 is not RPM-021, WRPM-028
1954-D 1MM-003 is not RPM-003, WRPM-003
1954-D 1MM-007 is RPM-003, WRPM-003
1955-D 1MM-007 is RPM-012, not RPM-007, WRPM-006
1955-D 1MM-014 is RPM-013
1957-D 1MM-016 is not RPM-016, WRPM-021
1957-D 1MM-018 is not RPM-018, WRPM-034
1957-D 1MM-018 is RPM-020
1957-D 1MM-037 is RPM-016
1958-D 1MM-015 is not RPM-015
1962 1DO-020 is DDO-020

[centMD]

New list of updates approved by Bob. Enjoy!

Dan


1909 1DR-001 is DDR-009
1928-D 1DR-001 is WDDR-001
1935 1DO-002 is DDO-003 (3-O-VI), WDDO-004 (compare upper portion of E in WE)
1936 1DO-004 is not DDO-010
1936 1DO-010 is WDDO-004
1936 1DO-012 is WDDO-015, DDO-009
1936 1DR-008 is WDDR-018
1936 1DR-009 is DDR-004
1936 1DR-010 is WDDR-020 (die gouge by eye)
1936-D 1DR-001 is DDR-001 (die scratch inside upper part of F of OF, mm positioning)
1937 1DO-004 1DR-004 is DDO-009 DDR-001 (see scratches between T-Y)
1937-S 1DO-001 is WDDO-001
1938 1DR-002 is DDR-001, WDDR-001, CDDR-001
1939 1DO-003 is DDO-005
1939 1DR-001 is DDR-003 (die gouge left wheat tip)
1939 1DR-002 is DDR-001 (die scratch left wheat tip)
1939 1DR-005 is DDR-007
1939 1DR-006 is DDR-006 (Stage B die crack, gouge under M in UNUM)
1940 1DR-003 is DDR-002
1940 1DR-004 is DDR-004, WDDR-007 (die scratch under upper loop of P in EPU)
1940 1DR-005 is DDR-008 not DDO-008
1940 1DR-006 is DDR-003
1940-S 1DO-003 is DDO-003 based on written description
1940-S 1DO-005 is not DDO-005
1941 1DO-021 is DDO-014
1941-D 1DO-001, 1DR-003, 1MM-007 is not DDO-004 (CONECA doesn’t list the DDO), but is WDDO-003, WDDR-002, WRPM-007 (see die marker comments on WRPM-007)
1941-D 1DO-004 is not DDO-001 (mm position)
1941-D 1DO-005 is DDO-001
1941-D 1DR-001 is DDR-001 (die crack VDB)
1941-D 1DR-006 is DDR-004 (die scratch SE off 9)
1941-S 1DR-001 is DDR-001 (die anomaly tip left wheat tip, die scratches above E in EPU)
1942 1DO-002 is WDDO-003
1942 1DO-004 is WDDO-011
1942 1DO-005 is WDDO-002
1942 1DO-008 is WDDO-014
1942 1DO-013 is DDO-005 (die scratch left of L in LIBERTY, dot below bar of B in LIBERTY)
1942 1DO-013 is WDDO-007 (listed as a cross reference to DDO-005 by Wexler)
1942 1DR-007 is DDR-011
1942 1DR-008 is WDDR-008, DDR-007
1942-D 1DR-004 is WDDR-008 not WDDR-007
1943 1DR-003 is WDDR-001
1943-D 1DO-005, 1DR-002 is not DDO-008, DDR-008,WDDO-009, WDDR-004
1943-D 1DO-010 is DDO-002
1944 1DO-005 is DDO-012 (compare first T in TRUST, eye positions)
1944 1DO-008 is WDDO-004
1944 1DO-015 is DDO-009 (same coin)
1944 1DO-017 is DDO-008
1944 1DO-021 is not DDO-010
1944 1DO-022 is WDDO-021
1944-D 1DO-001 is WDDO-001
1944-D 1DO-003 is not DDO-003 is DDO-009 (check die scratch under eye, mm position)
1944-D 1DO-006, 1DR-003 is DDO-004, DDR-003 (check inside of E in WE)
1944-D 1DO-007 is WDDO-006
1944-D 1DO-011 is DDO-014
1944-D 1DO-014 is DDO-016 (die crack R in TRUST)
1944-D 1DO-017 is DDO-012
1944-D 1DR-002 is DDR-010, WDDR-018
1944-D 1DR-004 is WDDR-001
1944-S 1DO-001 is WDDO-002
1944-S 1DO-002 is DDO-009
1944-S 1DR-002 is DDR-006
1944-S 1DR-003 is DDR-004 (dot in ERIC)
1944-S 1DR-004 is DDR-001, WDDR-011
1944-S 1DR-005 is DDR-005 (lower loop of B in PLURIBUS)
1946-S 1MM-020 is WRPM-074, not WRPM-038
1947-D 1MM-005 is not RPM-005, WRPM-004
1947-D 1MM-005 is RPM-008
1949-S 1DO-002, 1MM-013 is DDO-002, WDDO-001, WRPM-050
1952-D 1DO-004 is DDO-002
1956 1DR-001 is WDDR-001
1956-D 1DO-001 is WDDO-054
1957 1DO-001 is DDO-004
1957 1DO-004 is DDO-002 not DDO-005
1957 1DO-005 is DDO-005
1957 1DO-006 is WDDO-002
1957 1DR-001 is WDDR-002, DDR-002
1957 1DR-002 is DDR-017
1957-D 1DO-005 is DDO-010
1957-D 1DO-006 is DDO-011
1957-D 1DO-013 is DDO-004
1962 1DO-002 is DDO-009, WDDO-041
1962 1DO-005 is DDO-001 (first T in TRUST), WDDO-001, CDDO-001
1962 1DO-006 is WDDO-054
1962 1DO-020 is WDDO-046
1962 1DO-022, 1DR-014 is WDDO-007, WDDR-028
1962 1DO-023 is not WDDO-065 (WDDO listings only go up to 056)
1962 1DO-032 is WDDO-002
1963 1DO-007 is DDO-014
1963 1DO-011 is DDO-007 (doubling on eye likely obscured by angle of light)
1963-D 1DO-015 is DDO-011
1963-D 1DO-023 is DDO-010
1963-D 1DR-004 is DDR-003
1964 1DO-004 is DDO-003
1964 1DO-005 is not DDO-003 (strength of doubling wrong)
1964 1DO-009 is WDDO-040
1989 1DO-004 is DDO-002 (scratches ER in LIBERTY, gouge lower 9 in 19)
1989 1DO-005 is DDO-007
1989 1DO-007 is DDO-006
1989 1DO-020 is DDO-005
1998-D 1DR-002 is DDR-004
2003-D 1DR-001 is WDDR-001
2009 1DR-048 is 2009 EC WDDR-096

[mustbebob]

The correct Wexler cross reference is 1946S-WRPM-074. I hope I helped a tad anyway.

I have made this correction. Thank you very much for your input. I have started updating the last group of cross references I received from Dan. I should be finished with them within a few days.

[centMD]

Thank you for the cross-reference. It is included among my next email for Bob. It may be awhile before this email goes out as Bob is currently checking a large list of cross-references though.

[jay4202472000]

I would like to add one to this list, if I can. I recently picked up an example of 1946S-1MM-020 (RPM-020). It is incorrectly crossed as WRPM-038. Wexler 038 is a sans serif RPM. The correct Wexler cross reference is 1946S-WRPM-074. I hope I helped a tad anyway.

[mustbebob]

This is indeed quite an undertaking. Once again, I need to thank Dan for his hard work. I will continue updating coppercoins with the info he supplies as quickly as I can, but he does deserve to take some time off.