1972 P Variety? 1972 1˘ WMDO-001 Not a monster but maybe identified my first Variety

[makecents]

Alright, not a Variety stopper by any means but I think I may have identified my first Variety!! Let me know what ya think.

Thanks, Jon.

[willbrooks]

You have correctly identified this as the master die doubling. Good job. It is not a variety, however. More than half of all 1972 cents have this "doubling." Those references are there to show you that this is not a doubled working die variety.

[VAB2013]

Way to go Jon! You are on your way to finding your first doubled die!

[makecents]

Thanks Will and Vivien! One step closer I guess. Patience.

[Petespockets55]

Most of us know the thrill of this victory. And then the realization that it is not what we thought or hoped. (I posted one on LCF also.) But it was some consolation to realize I had learned enough to pick up on what to look for and be able to start to differentiate from that confusing/frustrating MD.
Congratulations on advancing to this step in your hunting abilities.

[jfines69]

Most of us know the thrill of this victory. And then the realization that it is not what we thought or hoped. (I posted one on LCF also.) But it was some consolation to realize I had learned enough to pick up on what to look for and be able to start to differentiate from that confusing/frustrating MD.
Congratulations on advancing to this step in your hunting abilities.

You are almost there MD is Machine Doubling, the coin posted here is MDD - Master Die Doubling... MMD from our Glossary -

Master Die Doubling: When a master die is itself a doubled die, (or exhibits another type of doubling such as engraving doubling) each working hub and subsequent working die created from this master die will also show this doubling. Since a doubled master die creates many working hubs and dies, this doubling will be very common, if not universal, during a specific year, and is therefore not a collectible form of doubling. There are many years in the Lincoln cent series exhibit master die doubling, with 1972 being the most well-known and most often mis-attributed as a collectible doubled die. 1972 had 2 master dies. One exhibited doubling and one did not. Therefore at least half of all 1972 cents will show this master die doubling. For more detailed information on the 1972 doubled master die please see Jason Cuvelier’s tutorial Here. See also: Engraving Doubling.

I hope that helps a little!!!

[jfines69]

Even tho it is not a variety (To most people) it is still a doubled die, unfortunately from a master die, and you identified it correctly... Way to go!!!

[Maineman750]

Even tho it is not a variety (To most people) it is still a doubled die, unfortunately from a master die, and you identified it correctly... Way to go!!!

I'm not buying the fact it is not a "variety"....it is a variety, just not rare or valuable.

[dogparkdays]

Congrats!!

[willbrooks]

I'm not buying the fact it is not a "variety"....it is a variety, just not rare or valuable.

I totally agree with you. I was just trying to keep it simple for the padawan learner.

[VAB2013]

I totally agree with you. I was just trying to keep it simple for the padawan learner.

Had to Google padawan, Will we don't use those complicated words in the South so Jon is not a Jedi yet, still in training. Won't be long young Jedi!

[Maineman750]

I totally agree with you. I was just trying to keep it simple for the padawan learner.

Gotcha ! I just had a "Will" moment

[makecents]

Thanks guys!! I do really appreciate all the help and will learn as I go. I know it all takes time and cannot expect to run with what you guys have taken years or even decades to learn. Patience padawan....

[Petespockets55]

You are almost there MD is Machine Doubling, the coin posted here is MDD - Master Die Doubling... MMD from our Glossary -

Master Die Doubling: When a master die is itself a doubled die, (or exhibits another type of doubling such as engraving doubling) each working hub and subsequent working die created from this master die will also show this doubling. Since a doubled master die creates many working hubs and dies, this doubling will be very common, if not universal, during a specific year, and is therefore not a collectible form of doubling. There are many years in the Lincoln cent series exhibit master die doubling, with 1972 being the most well-known and most often mis-attributed as a collectible doubled die. 1972 had 2 master dies. One exhibited doubling and one did not. Therefore at least half of all 1972 cents will show this master die doubling. For more detailed information on the 1972 doubled master die please see Jason Cuvelier’s tutorial Here. See also: Engraving Doubling.

I hope that helps a little!!!

See, I'm Almost there.
It really was the 1972 MDD that got me also. (And the pesky MD and abbreviations still do!)

[GrumpyEd]

This master doubling is common.
It doesn't look like it's doubled, to me it looks like they reworked the master, like someone took a tool and tried the strengthen some of the design that was too weak. I've always thought they should call this something other than doubled, it's re-worked or re-cut.

I may be wrong but I imagine a scenario where some manager said some details were too weak and told the worker to try to use a tool to fix it and they tried but the result was pretty bad.