Error Lamination | Curious lamination error

[Roller]

Did the best I could with the photos but because of the various depths involved, could not get everything in focus. The lam at the bottom of the bust is attached and folded over at both ends. The lam running through LIBERTY is detached and missing. What causes confusion is the positive ridge, raised above the field and solidly attached or part of it, west of the delaminations. The ridge runs along the entire length of both delams. Can't figure how that happened or what it is other than it is part of the coin.

[kloccwork419]

That folded over piece is the whole lamination. It goes from rim above LIBERTY to Abes back and folds over.

[Roller]

That folded over piece is the whole lamination. It goes from rim above LIBERTY to Abes back and folds over.

I thought so at first as well. For one the shape of the lam does not fit the void above it and it is level with the bust where it meets it. Meaning that the lam at the base is "embedded" in the bust. That could not have happened except during or after the strike. It is clearly not during and the folded over portions fit the lower lam perfectly. Also the lower lam is partially attached.
In any event, none of that explains the ridge I mentioned.

[makecents]

Very cool find!! Could the ridge be folded over lam that has smoothed over? It's really uniform though.

[GrumpyEd]

What causes confusion is the positive ridge, raised above the field and solidly attached or part of it

My thought is, you see the peeled off part of the lamination but the imperfection in the planchet might go further toward the rim or up to the rim/west. So, when it lifted on the east edge someone or random use lifted it then pulled the lose section off from north to south so it tore and made it end on the west side where it seems to end but since the imperfection goes further, there's a ridge lifted along the west edge. If when the east side lifted someone gently peeled it pulling west then it might have extended to the rim, but since it was peeled from north to south it tore it there and left that raised part on the west. Hope that makes sense

[VAB2013]

I dunno this is confusing as heck! Awesome looking lam tho... I just need to look at it some more

Well... looked some more and still confused. Couldn't find anything on error-ref.com with a lam with this kind of ridge.

Roller, how about PM to Mike Diamond so he can see it!

[Roller]

Curiosity won out and after a little force exerted on the "ridge" I was able to separate it from the field. So, the "ridge" is, in fact, part of a peal though I still can't tell which. I tried a close up of the area where the lower peal intersects with the lower bust area. The peel there appears to be imbedded in the bust so it cannot be a fold over of the upper peal area. I'm wondering if this is a multiple delamination of the planchet before the strike.

[Petespockets55]

Sure does look like a folded over lam to me.
Looks like even part of BER is visible in the anomaly, slightly above the VDB, west to east.

[Roller]

Sure does look like a folded over lam to me.
Looks like even part of BER is visible in the anomaly, slightly above the VDB, west to east.

I could buy into the fold over theory if someone could explain how a thin piece of metal is imbedded into the device it covers. I mean sunk into the area.

[VAB2013]

Sure does look like a folded over lam to me.
Looks like even part of BER is visible in the anomaly, slightly above the VDB, west to east.

Cliff must have xray vision, I can't see BER above the VDB. The only part that looks folded over to me is the little piece that is "on top" right at the bust. Still thinking about Roller's Post #9 above.

[Petespockets55]

The rim at the apex of the recessed area (above LIBERTY) appears to have remnants of the lam still attached when
I look thru my X-ray peepers. You can see an outline on the rim.

Roller, do you think the ridge you are wondering about may have been where the lam was attached and became raised when the lam peeled up? (Peeled after the strike or before?)

[Roller]

The rim at the apex of the recessed area (above LIBERTY) appears to have remnants of the lam still attached when
I look thru my X-ray peepers. You can see an outline on the rim.

Roller, do you think the ridge you are wondering about may have been where the lam was attached and became raised when the lam peeled up? (Peeled after the strike or before?)

I think that is a strong possibility.

[jfines69]

Nice find... To me it looks like a fold over prior to strike... The piece across the jacket contains jacket details which indicates a pre-strike fold over... The area you pulled up is most likely part of the same lamination but has stayed in place??? It also appears the lamination continues onto the rim and edge north of the L and part of the fold over at rim south of the jacket appears to have been struck into the rim/edge area??? Here is some info on Error Ref on different types of lamination errors... Scroll down thru!!!