1922 "D or Weak D or no D"

[Rollem]

I came across this 1922 D?. This is a worn or greased coin. So I think it is a "D" Die pair #4.

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/1922Ddievarieties.html

Die Pair #4
"The front of Lincoln's coat from about 4 o'clock to 5 o'clock
appears to merge into the rim whereas Dies 1-3 all have a
regular pronounced gap between the coat
and rim. This merging is responsible for Die 4's nickname,
"coattails." The reverse is noted for its weak high point detail,
similar to Die 1 and Die 3." - Andrew Vickery ANACS Grader

As seen in images below.
This may be a good find, I'm not sure. I don't see many of these.

Thanks for Feedback
James

[Maineman750]

I'm no expert or fan of the no D's, but this looks like a well worn 22-D to me. The crud below his shoulder makes it difficult to see the coattails you describe. Let's see what others say.

[1sgret]

I would also go with 1922-D Die #4 by the description you provided by the grader. It would proably need to be looked at in hand by one of the attributer's.

[rlm's cents]

Sorry, but that is nothing but a worn 1922-D. That lettering is just too strong for dies #1, #3, or #4. Not only that, but there is too much "D" visible for it to even be called a weak "D" (anywhere except eBay, that is).

[WaterSport]

Agree, just a worn cent not a weak D. As rlm's cents said above, a weak D is virtually not even visible on a high grade cent unless the coin is tilted at just the right angle. MS examples show what appears to be a tread like depression over the top of what is visible of the D. The coat tails variety or die 4 is really pushed into the rim. I have a grading set of 1922 D's as its also one of the hardest Lincoln's to grade. You can see it here:

http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=606

[rlm's cents]

Agree, just a worn cent not a weak D. As rlm's cents said above, a weak D is virtually not even visible on a high grade cent unless the coin is tilted at just the right angle. MS examples show what appears to be a tread like depression over the top of what is visible of the D. The coat tails variety or die 4 is really pushed into the rim. I have a grading set of 1922 D's as its also one of the hardest Lincoln's to grade. You can see it here:
http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=606

Interesting set. 1922-D's aren't too bad to grade. 1922- no "D"'s are a royal pain for most because they only see the missing details rather than look for the wear. Here is my favorite 1922-D.

[Rollem]

For clarification, The description about Die pair #4 came from http://www.lincolncentresource.com/1...varieties.html

This coin has not been graded or examined except by me. I also know it to be very worn.

Also noted at the above webpage is: very interesting
PCGS, NGC and some other grading services do not distinguish between the seven varieties above. PCGS and
NGC authenticate Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 as either “1922 weak D” or “1922 No D weak reverse”. Die Pair #2 is
authenticated as “1922 No D strong reverse”.

ANACS does things a little bit differently. Only Die Pair #2 is given a “No D” classification. Die Pairs #1, #3 and
#4 are all classified as “Weak D’s” regardless of the strength of the min

Thanks for feedback!

Very nice 22's you guys listed thanks

[rlm's cents]

Also, note that each of these die pairs are literally that. In other words, the pictures there show the coin exactly as it should look. Minor differences may be allowed for wear etc., but if that picture shows a weak "T" somewhere, that means that every coin attributable to that die pair will also have a weak "T" in the same spot. When the picture shows Abe's bust literally tight to the rim, all coins attributable to that die pair will have Abe's bust tight to the rim. A little gap means that coin is not from that die pair.

[Rollem]

Well noted rlm. That was reason for post I thought the coat to rim was very well shown in images posted as touching rim. Of course i am no expert so i asked for feedback.

Thanks for clarification.