PSD or damaged planchet before plating occured?

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  • makecents
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    • Jun 2017
    • 11038

    #1

    PSD or damaged planchet before plating occured?

    I had intended to post this anyway because I thought it was cool looking PSD, it looks like someone was initialing the coin. After I finished with the pics, it hit me, the copper plating was still there and I would think it would have been torn given the pressure that would have been applied to scrape or gouge this out. So, PSD or error?

    Thanks for looking, Jon.
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  • GrumpyEd
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    • Jan 2013
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    #2
    Are you saying it's incuse?

    I'm thinking it's optical illusion but on my screen it looks raised.

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    • makecents
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      • Jun 2017
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      #3
      Originally posted by GrumpyEd
      Are you saying it's incuse?

      I'm thinking it's optical illusion but on my screen it looks raised.
      It is incuse and also an optical illusion, because I thought it was raised at first too. I used a toothpick to check on it being a blister and that's when I found out it was incuse. Here's a pick that might help you see it. I was thinking maybe the planchet was gouged before plating.
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      • GrumpyEd
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        • Jan 2013
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        #4
        I'm thinking it might be struck through something and pretty cool.

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        • makecents
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          • Jun 2017
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          #5
          Originally posted by GrumpyEd
          I'm thinking it might be struck through something and pretty cool.
          Thanks Ed!! I didn't think about a struck through.

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          • stoneman227
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            • Jun 2012
            • 2086

            #6
            When a coin gets hit or gouged there will inevitably be metal that is displaced. This displaced metal will form a swell of metal at the edge of the hit called a pressure ridge. This ridge will show as a change in the way coin reflects light at the edge of the anomaly.
            I'm not seeing a pressure ridge anywhere.
            I'm with Ed ,a very cool struck through !

            John

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            Looking again there might be a ridge present.
            The plating has also been disturbed on the reverse, opposite of the anomaly as if the coin were counterstruck.
            Last edited by stoneman227; 07-23-2018, 02:13 AM.
            So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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            • GrumpyEd
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              • Jan 2013
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              #7
              Ps
              Looking again there might be a ridge present.
              The plating has also been disturbed on the reverse, opposite of the anomaly as if the coin were counterstruck.
              I know what you are saying. It's one that needs an expert in hand to call it.
              The other thing is, I keep thinking a staple or something but it's smaller than a full staple.

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              • stoneman227
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                • Jun 2012
                • 2086

                #8
                Originally posted by GrumpyEd
                I know what you are saying. It's one that needs an expert in hand to call it.
                The other thing is, I keep thinking a staple or something but it's smaller than a full staple.
                It's also a nice script W

                John
                So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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                • makecents
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                  • Jun 2017
                  • 11038

                  #9
                  Originally posted by stoneman227
                  When a coin gets hit or gouged there will inevitably be metal that is displaced. This displaced metal will form a swell of metal at the edge of the hit called a pressure ridge. This ridge will show as a change in the way coin reflects light at the edge of the anomaly.
                  I'm not seeing a pressure ridge anywhere.
                  I'm with Ed ,a very cool struck through !

                  John

                  Ps
                  Looking again there might be a ridge present.
                  The plating has also been disturbed on the reverse, opposite of the anomaly as if the coin were counterstruck.
                  Thanks for taking a look John!! I briefly looked at the reverse for anything out of the norm and did notice the damage at the shield but it seemed minimal and I wrote it off as wear that I had seen many times before on the high spots. Upon closer inspection, I've found what looks like striations in the plating that would probably be from pressure on the opposing side. I'm moving back towards PSD after looking at this more closely. Here's a few more pics, see what you guys think.


                  Besides the striations from pressure, there is also a perfect looking circle impressed in the same area. Here's a marked up pic.
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                  Last edited by makecents; 07-23-2018, 03:45 AM.

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                  • makecents
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                    • Jun 2017
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by stoneman227
                    It's also a nice script W

                    John
                    That was the first thing that got my attention, it looked like an initial.

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                    • GrumpyEd
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                      • Jan 2013
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                      #11
                      Yea but if that's the case someone went through lots of trouble to make their W, who would do that? LOL

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                      • stoneman227
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                        • Jun 2012
                        • 2086

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GrumpyEd
                        Yea but if that's the case someone went through lots of trouble to make their W, who would do that? LOL
                        There are tons of letter stamping dies out there for jewelry in all scripts and sizes. In a quick search I didn't see this one , but some came close.

                        John
                        So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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                        • VAB2013
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                          • Nov 2013
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                          #13
                          This is cool Jon! I'm leaning toward it being a counterstamp. Maybe the William's got married in 2015 and gave everybody at the wedding a Lucky Lincoln

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                          • ERRORCENTS
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                            • Feb 2011
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                            #14
                            Jon, I am thinking it is a counter stamped coin. I have several of these and it appears to be just that. I have ones with letters like that and they are all counter stamped. I am positive this is what you have.

                            Patrick
                            Patrick G.

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                            • makecents
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                              • Jun 2017
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ERRORCENTS
                              Jon, I am thinking it is a counter stamped coin. I have several of these and it appears to be just that. I have ones with letters like that and they are all counter stamped. I am positive this is what you have.

                              Patrick
                              Thanks Patrick!! It would appear that is the general consensus is that it is a counter stamp.

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