1991 D Extra Lincoln

[Guest]

The theory of extra columns sparked one's imagination toward finding an extra Lincoln in the memorial of a 1991 penny. Searching rolls one found a memorial double struck completely off center with perhaps the first "two Lincoln's" found in a memorial. One understands this is completely controversial and can never happen, or can it? You make the call. Column #6 is where honest Abe should be sitting, but in this 1991 penny look closely at both columns #5 then #6 what do you see?

[pennies4pennies]

I honestly can't see nothing. Maybe a closer picture.

Frank

[copperlover]

Because of the condition of the coin and its surface I see nothing except an anomaly below the base of the memorial under bay 5. Kindly send some isolated pics of the bay 5 &6 which will help us to help you. Thanks for sharing.

Lucien

[Chris Murphy]

No Problem

Both images of Lincoln are not exactly clear, but I placed arrows of the imprint of both memorials seen in pictures. I circled both Lincolns and also pointed out the resemble-ness of head, harm, leg, and foot, but remember the second only shows half of him. Now it's probably not him but sure looks close. Thank you all for your commits.

[Chris Murphy]

Thank you everyone for your comments this has been a real learning process, I posted on the next page a possible double die that looks similar to the 1983 penny. It's still the same 1991 but with a close up.

[pennies4pennies]

Chis I can see what you are talking about but I really need to see alot closer pictures. It looks like you claim but We need to see close pictures if at all possible. Lets see if Bob or Jason pops in they might know.

Frank

[mustbebob]

Sorry, I see absolutely nothing that even remotely resembles an extra Lincoln. Didn't we address this issue in a previous thread Chris? First off, it is an impossible scenario. Secondly, we really need to look at these things subjectively. As I stated before, you may bee looking way too hard for things. If it is something that dramatic, believe me, you will see it easily.

[Chris Murphy]

I'm sorry Bob one didn't mean to upset you in an attempt to start a discussion. One was only communicating W/Frank who asked for close-ups. Case in-point a easy way to clarify or debunk this silly theory would be simple, but one's computer does well not allow this simple clarification though. "Line up the memorial from pictures where it is clearly off center." The same way Wexler did on his site for the 1991 extra columns. Thanks for your time and opinion. Happy NEW YEAR!

[mustbebob]

This certainly didn't upset me Chiris. All I am attempting to do is to get folks to think logically about the hubbing and minting process, and by doing so, hopefully allowing them to see what is possible, and what is not. In this case, we discussed this very same thing in another thread.
I do not know your expertise about those processes, and as such, I can only guess as to what you are seeing. I am certainly not tryying to be brash or unrealistic, but after 40+ years in the hobby, I guess repeating the same info over and over again begins to take its toll.
The forum helps, but nothing can substitute for the amount of education one can learn from the internet, books, and other collectors. If you prefer, I will not address questions about your coins, but it is not just you who is reading the replies. There are hundreds of others who also may find some good info in what others have to say.

[Chris Murphy]

This certainly didn't upset me Chiris. All I am attempting to do is to get folks to think logically about the hubbing and minting process, and by doing so, hopefully allowing them to see what is possible, and what is not. In this case, we discussed this very same thing in another thread.
I do not know your expertise about those processes, and as such, I can only guess as to what you are seeing. I am certainly not tryying to be brash or unrealistic, but after 40+ years in the hobby, I guess repeating the same info over and over again begins to take its toll.
The forum helps, but nothing can substitute for the amount of education one can learn from the internet, books, and other collectors. If you prefer, I will not address questions about your coins, but it is not just you who is reading the replies. There are hundreds of others who also may find some good info in what others have to say.

Mr. Piazza,
I wouldn't even call my expertise, "expertise" please keep communicating about my coins Mr. Piazza you didn't upset me at all. This is a learning process that couldn't be bought by any means. Your input is not only refreshing but explains allot, don't let some rookie like myself deter you from making new discoveries.

[Chris Murphy]

Double Die?

Frank,
Has anyone found a double die for 1991? I found one that looks amazing I don't know if it's strike doubling or double die, I well post the picture here. Thanks

[jcuve]

Greetings and welcome to the forum. The new addition (which should really be in a new thread) is not a Doubled Die. I suspect it has machine doubling. The intensity of the light makes it a little hard to say for certain but it does not have the characteristics of hub doubling.

[simonm]

From what I see on the T in "Cent", it looks like split-plate doubling, which is very common for those years.

[jcuve]

It could be plating split doubling - I didn't notice a change in hue so I am not sure...

[mustbebob]

This one is certainly the result of the strike, and not hub doubling. You just don't see things like this on coins prior to 1982 when they were solid copper.