need help with this 1955 D BU Die Chip / RPM / DDO?

[SuddenAdoration]

This (BU) 1955 D has a lot going on with it. There is a huge die chip in Liberty and die chips on the reverse. Die Scratches on the reverse...

Plus a possible RPM that I am having a hard time matching it to one on coppercoins, and even possible double die in Liberty... or???

I can use the pros on this one. Thank you as always!

Tons of photographs for you.

[Chugly]

Well, I think you gave most of the answers already yourself and I agree, that coin has a lot going on! I see a "bie" die break on liberty, a minor rotated rpm with split upper and lower serf's (should be listed), coupled with tons of excellent die markers to help identify it. I'm not sure what's going on the the West of the R, T and Y of Liberty but that looks like machine doubling. To top it all off, the coin appears to be choice BU (MS-63+) to me. What a fun coin!

[hasfam]

Nice find Karah. Congrats.

[RWBILLER]

Nice find and analysis
Rog

[SuddenAdoration]

Well, I think you gave most of the answers already yourself and I agree, that coin has a lot going on! I see a "bie" die break on liberty, a minor rotated rpm with split upper and lower serf's (should be listed), coupled with tons of excellent die markers to help identify it. I'm not sure what's going on the the West of the R, T and Y of Liberty but that looks like machine doubling. To top it all off, the coin appears to be choice BU (MS-63+) to me. What a fun coin!

Thanks Chugly,
I wasn't sure how to classify the rpm. there are a lot of them on coppercoins, it's just that mine doesn't have any matching die markers. So since they don't match any does this mean anything? Do the die markers have to match for RPMs?

As for the RT&Y of liberty, the letters are all very thick and bubbly, they are not flat like /shelf like. Looking at wexlers all the MD looks flat... I am just trying to learn/understand why this one would be MD. It doesn't really look like a double die either I am am used to seeing in the threads, however here is a picture from Wexlers this is the closest I can find of a Double Die (but it's a picture of a nickel), and the letters on the 1955 I found are still more round looking than the Wexlers class 2. What should I be looking at to tell the difference? Thank you so much for your help!

[Chugly]

Cool Karah! Can you try to get a picture of "Liberty" with the light coming from the other direction? I think we can better diagnose the doubling that way. It does look interesting and I wouldn't rule out a possible ddo, but its just too shadowed in the current pictures to tell.

[jallengomez]

Karah-

The die markers will not always match up with what is listed on Coppercoins because these change over the life of the dies. Sometimes coppercoins will have markers for more than one die stage, but often it's the MDS, or middle die stage, markers that they have. The one thing that will always be constant with RPM's, is the relation of the mint mark to the date. This is another good way to quickly weed out ones that don't match. Take a look at where your mm is in relation to the 2nd and 3rd digits of the date, and then you can quickly eliminate a lot of the ones that you'll see listed on CC. I don't see yours on Coppercoins, and I also checked the Coneca files and did not see a match there either. Probably a new one, and a nice find. I'd also really like to see the RTY from a different angle.

Jody

[SuddenAdoration]

OK this was very difficult to get... but perhaps it was "light trickery" in the other picture... because it looks so different here. However these do show some questionable areas... or maybe I have been staring at coins for to many hours... lol Thanks again, and sorry if this is nothing... I know time is valuable.

[Chugly]

Ok, its still a nice "Bie," but not a doubled die. It amazing how changing the lighting can dramatically affect the outcome of the picture and appearance of doubling. Your new pictures answer the question immediately. Thanks!

[SuddenAdoration]

Oh well. I will remember to get pictures at multiple angles and different lighting when questioning double dies... thanks for looking Chugly.

[jallengomez]

Nice pics! One thing you will see on some 1955 Cents from all mints is engraving doubling from a master die. I think I see that on this one. It's at the base of LIBERTY, especially RTY, and slightly to the West. On some of the stronger hubbings it can resemble a doubled die.

[SuddenAdoration]

Nice pics! One thing you will see on some 1955 Cents from all mints is engraving doubling from a master die. I think I see that on this one. It's at the base of LIBERTY, especially RTY, and slightly to the West. On some of the stronger hubbings it can resemble a doubled die.

Hi Jody,
Thanks for taking a look. I just had to look up engraving doubling... Wexlers site says it worthless... Would that lower the value of this coin then?

[coulsonmd]

Looks like 55D-B320 page 41 Jean Cohen's book on Lincoln die varieties from 1969. She shows the die breaks on the left wheat in addition to the BIE. Nice one!