1936 P Extra thickness?

[bella]

Is this an example of extra thickness on the outer devises? I found this 1936P trying to understand it better. Is it the extra thickness on the lower E,U,L, Thinking this might be something. Thx for the help.

[coop]

It is a doubled die. Nice find. It is a strong one also.

[liveandievarieties]

Really? I see slight thickness on E of EPU, but what qualifies this as a strong doubled die?

[coop]

The dots are egg shapped. Most of the letters on the EPU are enlarged toward the center of the coin. The wheat stems are wider than normal. Probably the best way to explain it is to use a side by side comparision of a normal coin and a doubled die. This is not the same year, but is doubled very closely like your coin.
Note the height and with of the devices compared with a normal coin:

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/NORMAL-DOUBLED_WHEAT_REVERSE_E-PLU.jpg

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/NORMAL-DOUBLED_WHEAT_REVERSE_EPU.jpg

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/NORMAL-DOUBLED_WHEAT_REVERSE_LINES.jpg

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/NORMAL-DOUBLED_WHEAT_REVERSE_RIGHT_GRAINS.jpg

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/NORMAL-DOUBLED_WHEAT_REVERSE_UNUM.jpg

The E, L, U's Dots are the thing to notice the difference in size as compared with a normal coin.

[creme_brule]

Im a bit confused. Would this be considered a DDR?

[coop]

Yes. It is hub doubled. The hubbing was not exactly the same on the die making process. Some hubs show different age. Some become warped. Some the alighnment is incorrect. But the result is an enlarging of the devices on the die. Each planchet struck with these dies will show the same doubling as the DIE is doubled. Thus the term doubled die. These are only struck once on the business strike coins and the devices are different from coins struck from a normal die.

[lara4228]

So separation or notching is not required on wheat DDR's?

[coop]

These are class 6 doubling. They usually don't have notching because the hubbing was not rotated like the class 1 doubled die. (IE 1955 DDO) The devices are enlarged. (Widen or taller spread)

[jcuve]

This is an example of class VI hub doubling showing extra thickness on outside devices. Its strong, but not major. Class VI is really the only class where notching is not immediate evident. On some BU examples you'll find splits and in caes of a hybrid Class VI and II you will sometimes get notching. For whatever reason Lincoln wheats have many examples of Class VI and or II hub doubling.

[bella]

Thx for all your replys alotta help . Lets see if i learned anything. This 1931 i just found to me looks the same a DDR? THx Coop for the examples.

[bella]

Now I'm second guessing myself on th 1931. Can i change my mind lol. Now I'm thinking it might just be circulation wear.

[tea-party]

Well I guess this one needs to be marked answered by Coop!! And nice find also!!

John

[coop]

Looks similar to this one on coppercoins:

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1931&die_id=1931p1dr001&die_state=mds

You might check to see if any markers match. Hard to tell on circulated examples, but maybe one will jump out.
The doubled die isn't as strong as the OP coin, but it a DDR.

[coppercoins]

Let me try to straighten some of this out...

1. Extra thickness in devices when spread toward the rim is an indication of distended hub doubling, which is the sixth classification of hub doubling listed, so we call it class 6. It is caused when normal hubs are used on a die PLUS hubs that have flattened and distended shape. The exact cause of the distension is unknown.

2. Class 6 doubled dies do not show separation or notching, no matter what kind of coin they are on. It's not just wheat cents. 1960 sports a VERY nice class 6 doubled die reverse, and it's a memorial cent.

3. The coins posted in this thread are decent doubled dies, but neither of them is 'strong' to any stretch of the imagination.