Matte Proof?

[Guest]

I've been having a hard time diagnosing matte proofs...I was hoping to snatch one off eBay raw

Anyways, here's a really sharp 1912 P Lincoln...does it look like a matte proof? I know that the wide rims are a big tip off...(this coin doesn't have any). Is it maybe just a really early die state or finely struck coin?

Thanks,
-CB

[Steven]

Nice looking coin...This may help?? http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-4176057...2177_171150691

http://numiscent.com/19maprpfrd.html

[coop]

Note the size of these rims:


Yours has the wide rim. Still a nice coin, but not a matte proof.

[cents1st]

Matte proofs are difficult at first to tell from circulation strikes. The die markers have been sent to you, those really help. In addition for raw pieces: Matte proofs have thicker rims, that is to say if you lay a proof beside a Unc. or Au. circulation strike the proof will be thicker (height) at the rim than the circulation strike. The rims are also squared at the edge and the field, not rounded like your photo shows. Also important and most obvious: the rim side (3rd side of the coin) will the majority of the time have a brighter and smoother mirrored finish than the devices and fields. There is no luster on a Matte proof. Good luck in your search, you may find a proof someday.

[mo052246]

that is a beautiful lincoln. it may not be a proof, but it ain't bad

[Brad]

Based on the rims, I would say it is not a matte proof. It is a nice coin!

[WaterSport]

You really need to see a genuine MPL to understand the basic differences. MANY dealers can not detect the difference between BS and a MPL. There are 2 wonderful resources you need to buy before you think you found another MPL. That would be Kevin Flynns book, or a very cheap alternative is this book... It can be found all over used book store searches and even Ebay all this one is a tad pricey. It has a chapter on MPL's and the critical die markers needed to ID a MPL.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ANA-Counterfeit-Detection-Book-Volume-II-/160708452240?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256af85f90#ht_1567wt_922

[RWBILLER]

Hi
Do a search for matte proof and David Lange. He has a good description. Also, Brad is our resident expert - I believe. Someday I would like to get the 1909's.
Thx
Rog