1982 Plain Zinc Large Date DDO DDR?

[mikes7657]

Attached are some photos of a specimen that came out of my wife's penny jar. It is lustrous and beautiful. I have had a hard time finding the die markers, but I'm sure it is DDO at least. There is a nice spread in LIBERT of LIBERTY decreasing right to left and a nice little spread in the date. There is a lot of notching in IN GOD WE TRUST as well as extra thickness that may not be visible in these somewhat fuzzy photos. The reverse has extra thickness in all of the characters and high magnification reveals a lot of notching and seperation lines.

I looked at the 1982 Small Date DDR and found a lot of die markers that suggest this coin was struck from the same reverse die as 1982P 1DR-001. I found the die scratch marks on the left side of the memorial, when held up to the light just right, and an identical business of scratch marks between the E CEN of ONE CENT.

These photos are not great, but they do the job of getting to the heart of the beauty of this thing.

Am I right about the Extra Thickness on the Reverse? Can you see any of the notches or die markers in the photo?


Mike

[mustbebob]

Sorry Mike. Based on your photos, I can not see any evidence of a doubled die whether on the obverse or reverse. The reverse looks normal.

[willbrooks]

Bob certainly doesn't need any back-up, but I don't see any signs of a doubled die either. What do you think of the probability that a reverse doubled die used in a completely different pairing was later re-used and just happened to be paired with an obverse doubled die? Anything is possible, but I don't believe you have either one here. Sorry, Mike, but don't give up. 1982 cents can be particularly frustrating to look at with the master die issues coupled with the late stage mushiness of the devices.

[mikes7657]

Yeah, the photos are probably mushier than the late stage die, lol. I'll clear them up and see if I can get a different response out of you. Odd that I see extra thickness anyway, and the die markers for the reverse that I can find are spot on even though none are visible. I thought the circular die scratches in the memorial bays sealed the deal, but I could be wrong. Sometimes, I think my eyes play tricks on me after a few hours under the glass...

One thing I won't do is give up. You'll find that out about me as time goes on.

Mike

[CoinHELP]

I can see, at the least, some strike doubling on the LIBERTY. I would post clearer images.

[mikes7657]

I was hoping those would be visible. These photos were taken when I was experimenting with different lenses for close up images. On the reverse, there is a really nice notch or splitting effect in the bottom of the first S in States that you can't see. There are also some nice notching effects on both sides that are almost completely lost in these images. I thought the splits in the bottoms of the 1 and 9 were visible in these images, even though the date lacks extra thickness. I could be dead wrong about the DDR, but the DDO I felt pretty confident about.

[RWBILLER]

Looks like a normal coin to me.

[pman860507]

I can see on the bottom of the 9 but it gets burry past that. I'm sure others could see it too. The 1 looks like PMD.

If bob says its normal then its normal.

[CoinHELP]

I don't doubt that Bob is correct based on these images, but if this coin isn't Doubled, it still has some MD in the Liberty. I know that's still just a normal coin too many. I cropped and enhanced the LIBERTY to see if anyone else can see it better.

I am not making a big deal out of it, but I can see that the LIBERTY has something going on.

[simonm]

Liberty looks like die abrasion doubling, maybe a tiny bit of machine doubling to me.

[Maineman750]

Agree it has something going on...but it is not a doubled die.Nice pic Daniel !

[mikes7657]

Sorry Mike. Based on your photos, I can not see any evidence of a doubled die whether on the obverse or reverse. The reverse looks normal.

I knew if the expert says it isn't, there is a 99.9 % chance that it is is exactly what he says it is. I'll still get some images up that do it justice.

I'm having a hard time getting better images because the coin is shiny. I can get clearer images but cant get the details to resolve without getting washed out with light. Additionally, some of the lettering is mushy and mangly, a problem as well. It's hard to believe the coin is shiny, but it is, despite the problems with the bubbles and flakes.

Here is a nice shot of the two.

Mike

[pman860507]

Nice pictures. I do see a little Machine doubling on your coin.

[papascoins]

I can see what Mike is saying, but this 'die' is normal, and not doubling. These coins have been found by others, including me, and posted on here, and have always been found to NOT be the 1982P-1DO-003. The CC site has great pics showing much more thickness in 'liberty': http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds .
thanks.

[RWBILLER]

Hi
I have been on LCR for four years and that is when I started collecting vararities and error Lincoln cents. In the beginning there we're some finds that I was convinced were not what the "experts" said they were. I would not let go and always believed that my .01 % chance of the coin bend a varaity was correct. I even did it a's late a's four months ago. Who are these experts? What do they know? I finally learned the hard way when I sent a couple to be slabbed by ANACS. They were just a's what the experts said. Now, I trust those experts. Between three or four of them they have over a 100 years experience - just looking at varaities. Life is easier now, I have more experience and I learned to accept the experts judgement. I hope you do too.