1909 Lincoln Cent First Strike?

[CoinHELP]

I aquired this coin in a collection, along with the 1909 vdb. This 1909 stood out from any that I have seen before. I thought it could be a Matte Proof, but it doesn't have the markers or a completely matte surface. So I came to the conclusion that it's a new strike and very well struck specimen. I welcome any comments or corrections.

I used the 1909 vdb as a comparison, but I know they're different dies, just used since they were in the same collection.

[Rollem]

Very Nice coins! A great addition to any collection.

Matte ?? I can't say but Beautifully Struck? Yes

James

[CoinHELP]

More image.

[simonm]

A beautifully struck coin. Don't know if it's special in any way though...

[tone541]

no expert, but could it be a mishandled matte proof. if not it is really a nice strike

[RWBILLER]

Do a search on google for matte proofs - you will find what you need. Brad is our LCR expert on matte proofs.

The correct name for matte proofs is "sand blasted finish"

Matte proof became a name for them in the 1940's.

[CoinHELP]

Thanks for the responses, but I know it's not a Matte or Sand Blasted Die, it doesn't even have the markers. I just thougth it was a nice coin, but look struck with a new die or hardly used die.

[liveandievarieties]

Why do 3 out of 4 posts suggest or encourage the OP to think this coin is something he clearly states it is not?

[mustbebob]

Why do 3 out of 4 posts suggest or encourage the OP to think this coin is something he clearly states it is not?

Was kinda wondering the same thing myself...

[Brad]

They are not matte proofs. 1909 and 1909 VDB's often have great strikes and a lot of detail. Nice coins.

[simonm]

My apologies, I don't know much about matte proofs and was just complimenting the OP's coin...

[RWBILLER]

Hi
Well, now I feel like I'm stupid. Thankyou

[CoinHELP]

Hi
Well, now I feel like I'm stupid. Thankyou

Don't feel that way, you were trying to be helpful. Most people don't know that about the early proofs so I am sure some people will learn from this thread. I posted this in the Q&A to see if anyone can offer suggestions on the die state. If it's early die state or not. Thanks.

[coppercoins]

The early matte proof coins have COMPLETELY squared off rims - inside and outside. These coins cannot be proof for that reason alone - aside from markers.

[CoinHELP]

The early matte proof coins have COMPLETELY squared off rims - inside and outside. These coins cannot be proof for that reason alone - aside from markers.

I was already positive the coins were not matte proofs, the coin on the left was just for reference. The 1909 on the right was struck well enough that I thought it could be a first strike or a strike by a new die. Thanks for the comment.

I have checked the 1909 on the right, in the images, it's not a proof. I just wondered about the die state and that's all.

Again, I know neither coin is a Matte Proof.