1971 S RPM or MD or MD on RPM?

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  • Roller
    Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 6975

    #1

    1971 S RPM or MD or MD on RPM?

    I'm conflicted about this one. I can see the MD on the date and the MM but there's more to the MM than that. There being no images for most 71S RPMs does not help.
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  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #2
    I'm thinking it is MD and the damaged MM punch.



    Jason Cuvelier


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    • Maineman750
      Administrator

      • Apr 2011
      • 12079

      #3
      I'm thinking Jason is right.....they had a problem with mm's back then (69,70,71)
      https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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      • ShyCent

        #4
        I see up to 3 MMs and 2-3 directions of MD on the date, which might explain part of the MM, but I don't think all.

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        • Roller
          Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 6975

          #5
          I did not know that there was/is a punch problem in 71. Thanks for the info.

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          • mustbebob
            Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
            • Jul 2008
            • 12758

            #6
            I too was unaware of a punch problem for 1971, and I attribute these things. Anyone have any more info in it?
            As far as this one goes, it just appears to be multiple cases of machine doubling.
            Bob Piazza
            Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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            • centsible
              Banned
              • Sep 2012
              • 50

              #7
              As to the MM, was the MM punched 1, 2, or 3 times. If once, the remaining "stuff" is MD?

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              • jcuve
                Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                • Apr 2008
                • 15458

                #8
                According to Wiles, the S MM punch became defective in 1970, he says specifically, "being characterized by a horizontal line in the lower loop and a notch inside the upper curve." It's supposedly the same punch introduced back in 1952.



                Jason Cuvelier


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                • centsible
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 50

                  #9
                  Tangent, please bear with me, if the Mint didn't seem to care about this punch, would there be many, many more out there like the one being discussed?

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                  • simonm
                    Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 6398

                    #10
                    Originally posted by centsible
                    Tangent, please bear with me, if the Mint didn't seem to care about this punch, would there be many, many more out there like the one being discussed?
                    A good example of another broken MM punch would be the Denver mintmark punch in 1979. About 80% of the 1979-D cents I have show a broken MM punch. It appears as a notch in the bottom serif.
                    My old coin album.

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                    • flyhi3
                      Member
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 3702

                      #11
                      Wow I was unaware of the damaged MM punch of 69-71. Thanks for the info guys!!!!!
                      Alexander Helzel
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                      • centsible
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 50

                        #12
                        So this 1971S is not a RPM and of no real numismatic value other than a representative of a broken MM punch?

                        No matter, it still looks great to me.

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