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  • Vickilynn
    Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 728

    #1

    1964 foreign metal?

    Here's one that looked funny to me. It appears to have some spots of a different type of metal. Is this an error or something else? Thanks
    Vickilynn
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  • liveandievarieties
    TPG & Market Expert
    • Feb 2011
    • 6049

    #2
    Sure looks like it Vickilynn, very cool!
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    • uglycent
      Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 1386

      #3
      Nice contamination, It is hard to tell if was in the die or on the cent.
      Even a fool can look wise if he keeps his mouth closed.

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      • liveandievarieties
        TPG & Market Expert
        • Feb 2011
        • 6049

        #4
        This isn't something that would be in the die, it was debris that was struck into the planched when the cent was coined.
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        • mikediamond
          Paid Member, Error Expert

          • Jan 2008
          • 1104

          #5
          Very nice. It's either struck-in metal or rolled-in metal. It could be silver, but it's impossible to tell without a chemical analysis. If you're interested in selling it, contact me at mdia1@aol.com. -- Mike Diamond

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          • wapa
            Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 2409

            #6
            That is a sweet find Vicki, very interesting coin and a great specimen. Congrats!

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            • simonm
              Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 6398

              #7
              Awesome find vicklynn!
              My old coin album.

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              • jallengomez
                Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 4447

                #8
                Congrats Vicki! Nice find.
                “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

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                • trails
                  Moderator, Error Expert
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 3358

                  #9
                  More than likely, the metal is from a fragmented feeder finger.

                  BJ Neff
                  ANA, CCC, CONECA, FUN, Fly-In-Club, NLG & "The Error-Variety Education Consortium"

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                  • lonegunlawyer

                    #10
                    Great find, but surely there is a better answer than "Sure looks like it Vickilynn, very cool!."

                    It appears the foreign substances did not become one with the planchet metals. This could have occurred during the cooling process of the metal before rolling, during the rolling process, or at the time of striking. Because it is not more spread out on the coin and still maintained its own identity, I would guess it occurred at striking.

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                    • liveandievarieties
                      TPG & Market Expert
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 6049

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lonegunlawyer
                      This could have occurred during the cooling process of the metal before rolling, during the rolling process, or at the time of striking. Because it is not more spread out on the coin and still maintained its own identity, I would guess it occurred at striking.
                      No it couldn't have- this metal inclusion could have ONLY been struck into the planchet. There's no guess work here, just simply a matter of educating yourself on the minting process to better understand how this type of error occurs.
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                      • lonegunlawyer

                        #12
                        I did not mean to be taken so harshly. But if I am mistaken, I did not see a real answer in your first reply. I have no doubt in your knowledge.

                        When you say struck into the planchet, do you mean when the planchet was punched from the strip?

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                        • liveandievarieties
                          TPG & Market Expert
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 6049

                          #13
                          I mean that at the time of striking (by the dies), the planchet was normal. When the dies compressed to strike the cent there was foreign matter (white metal) between the planchet and reverse die. It was struck into the coin and retained. This metal could likely be pried out, though it would destroy a neat error.
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                          • Vickilynn
                            Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 728

                            #14
                            Originally posted by lonegunlawyer
                            Great find, but surely there is a better answer than "Sure looks like it Vickilynn, very cool!."
                            Yes his answer was vague,but I assumed he was agreeing that it was an error and that was all I did ask. Vickilynn
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                            How I take life? ........SERIOUSILLY !!!!

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                            • lonegunlawyer

                              #15
                              That is exactly what I think happened. I think we are on the same page (I apparently did not explain myself clearly) and I think your answer is right on.

                              Again, sorry, I did not intend or infer to impeach your credibility. I just thought it was a bit comical that your first post and not your explanation was listed as the "Best Answer."

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