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  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #31
    The coin is some type of forgery. I suspect dies made from sand casting as the coin displayed many areas with a grainy texture (light blue arrows). The coin came in at 3.013g and was not attracted to a magnet. It seems to be copper, maybe with some metallic paint applied. The surface was somewhat dull, pinkish and had no mint luster. The fields of the dies seem to have been abraded to cut down on the pebbly texture (green arrows). As a final step they hit the coin's high spots with a grinder (red arrows) maybe to make it look circulated.







    Jason Cuvelier


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    • simonm
      Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 6398

      #32
      Thanks for the update, Jason. Certainly is an interesting specimen.
      My old coin album.

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      • strwrght53

        #33
        It sure does look like a casting

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        • GrumpyEd
          Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 7229

          #34
          Thanks for the update.

          some one went to a lot of trouble and let it get away ?

          Maybe when someone could tell it was fake they tossed it in with some bulk wheats to sell.
          Maybe that answers what you said about how someone went through trouble to make it and then how it got away.

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          • virgil

            #35
            1943 not steel

            Thanks to Jason Mystery solved any one want a fake for a couple good wheats ?

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            • flyhi3
              Member
              • Mar 2012
              • 3702

              #36
              Originally posted by virgil
              Thanks to Jason Mystery solved any one want a fake for a couple good wheats ?
              Sure! I'd love to have one as a refrence. Email sent.....
              Alexander Helzel
              Ecrater eBay Facebook

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              • coppercoins
                Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                • Dec 2008
                • 2482

                #37
                I could use the coin if nobody else ends up with it.

                Jason - I would like to be able to use your images, could you contact me please?
                Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
                [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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                • Maineman750
                  Administrator

                  • Apr 2011
                  • 12079

                  #38
                  Originally posted by coppercoins
                  I could use the coin if nobody else ends up with it.

                  Jason - I would like to be able to use your images, could you contact me please?

                  OK Chuck, not laughing at you,but with you. You're going to give this hobby up like I'm going to quit eating
                  https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                  • coppercoins
                    Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 2482

                    #39
                    Maineman - You might have misunderstood what I was saying in previous posts regarding giving up the hobby...

                    I am giving up trying to be a Lincoln cent variety dealer, hoarder, etc. I have tons of coins that I will never make it through because I don't have time. I have lost interest in attributing people's coins, and for the most part in being an "online expert," if you will.

                    I have not given up the fact that my website (coppercoins.com) is one of the most used websites for Lincoln cent varieties on the internet and I have a certain amount of responsibility to continue the research I started with that project, and to some day rebuild the site from the ground-up using modern technology. I will also eventually come up with a new book. All of this will be done on my schedule as time permits between my other interests and my more than full-time job.

                    I never meant to disillusion people into believing I was simply vanishing. I'm just not going to be a regular 'board member' any longer, and will no longer accept other people's coins for attribution. I will also not re-open lincolncent.com and go back to 'selling' die varieties using an online store. I am selling off the inventory and the hoard of BU rolls in an effort to consolidate my personal stuff, and will be almost an enigma to the public. I am not going to the national coin shows, I am not online often, and have stopped answering emails from the general public with basic coin knowledge questions.

                    None of this, however, means that I will stop acquiring items that are seldom seen or buying scarcer die varieties to help flesh out the primary collection for coppercoins, which I had never planned on liquidating. Such items (and photographs of them) are a necessary part to the continued success of any knowledge base, and it would not be prudent of me to skip the opportunity to acquire educational examples.
                    Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
                    [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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                    • coppercoins
                      Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 2482

                      #40
                      All I say, however, is an as time permits and more importantly, as INTEREST permits. The last thing I want right now is a second job that I'm not interested in. I burned out long ago, and have no interest in doing anything more in numismatics than my limited time permits.
                      Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
                      [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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                      • Maineman750
                        Administrator

                        • Apr 2011
                        • 12079

                        #41
                        Thanks for the clarification Chuck...I guess I took this quote to heart : "Sorry to say, folks - I have given it six months, I have tried to regain interest - and it's just not happening. I simply no longer care about coins."

                        But believe me, we all hope you stick around to whatever extent you're willing.
                        https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                        • coppercoins
                          Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 2482

                          #42
                          To an effect that statement is true. I really don't care - not like I used to. At this point it's more about providing a service and keeping that service alive to whatever extent I am capable with my busy schedule. But yes, the passion for it is gone. It does not excite me any more. I really don't enjoy sitting in front of a microscope or attributing and photographing coins.

                          I will continue to try finding time to work on the coppercoins master collection and only hope that helps rekindle some spark of real interest, but more than anything I suppose what I am doing is keeping an open project - open. Regardless of whether I really want to be doing it out of interest in the subject.
                          Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
                          [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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                          • riff
                            Member
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 637

                            #43
                            do you think this is a modern forgery? i mean within the last 30 years or so?

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                            • trails
                              Moderator, Error Expert
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 3358

                              #44
                              I believe it to be of Chinese origin. It appears to be made from a sand cast mold.
                              ANA, CCC, CONECA, FUN, Fly-In-Club, NLG & "The Error-Variety Education Consortium"

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