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[Guest]

Hi,

This is my first post on this forum and I haven't been collecting that long so still learning, I do know many of the errors, how they are created, etc... but this one has me stumped and I have yet to find out what sort of error this is.

The 1971 cent has a ridge around the whole rim but it's as if it's separating "which it's not actually" and I've asked many other people who collect and they don't know either so I'm hoping someone here can help me. The ridge actually goes around both the front and back of the penny, equally around the rim and no other doubling or oddities are on this penny except the described.







Thank you.

[coop]

Welcome to LCR.

Looks like mini rim cuds.

[GrumpyEd]

That is an odd one.

Sure it's not some sort of hollowed out magic coin that was put back together?

Is the reverse oriented properly?

Maybe drop it and see if sounds normal or weigh it if you have a good scale.

Maybe it was encased in something that made that line??

Welcome aboard!

[liveandievarieties]

What you have is a slightly misaligned die, this is actually very common, especially on copper memorial cents (1959-1982). I'm confident that if you examine a full box of 2500 cents, you'll encounter another example or two.

A misaligned die occurs when the hammer (obverse in the case of cents) assembly is loose. MADs are a normal occurrence in the production of coins. A MAD that is outside of mint tolerance and worthy of a premium when actual die detail bleeds off the coin- kind of like a one-sided off-center coin. A MAD only occurs on one side of the coin, always the side that is the hammer (vs the anvil die).

[simonm]

What you have is a slightly misaligned die, this is actually very common, especially on copper memorial cents (1959-1982). I'm confident that if you examine a full box of 2500 cents, you'll encounter another example or two.

A misaligned die occurs when the hammer (obverse in the case of cents) assembly is loose. MADs are a normal occurrence in the production of coins. A MAD that is outside of mint tolerance and worthy of a premium when actual die detail bleeds off the coin- kind of like a one-sided off-center coin. A MAD only occurs on one side of the coin, always the side that is the hammer (vs the anvil die).

Chris, I would generally agree with your assessment of a misaligned die, but the OP said that the anomaly goes around the whole rim...I would not expect a MAD to do so.

The 1971 cent has a ridge around the whole rim

[PChammer]

Welcome to LCR.

Looks like mini rim cuds.

The rim, by feel is actually higher and I think it's more of being smashed down than a cud by looking at it under a lens, the picture is tough I know.

Here's another shot...



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[Peter]

Welcome to the forum. Kind of looks PMD like Ed mentioned--like it was encased in something at one time.

[Maineman750]

I agree,it looks to have been encased.

[PChammer]

Hi and thanks for the welcome and the replies. Sorry when I replied there was only one reply at the moment or I would have responded to others.

Here is a back side picture as well.



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Yep, it goes all the way around both sides, not just one and it's not really off center either. I am leaning towards it being encased but I have no idea what it would have been encased in so if yous could give me some examples it would be appreciated.

Thanks again.

[Maineman750]

In a bezel to make a necklace...or something similar.

[PChammer]

In a bezel to make a necklace...or something similar.

Ah.. thanks. First thought that came to my mind then was when the Zippo company would send you a penny with the free lighter repair, it was in a metal encasing. Just a thought. I do have one so if I can find it I'll compare.

[liveandievarieties]

I stand corrected! An ex-encased cent would make the most "cents"... hehe.

But if there's any chance like Ed said that it's been cut open and re-sealed- do a ring test. Just stick the cent on the tip of your finger and ding it with a like coin (another cent of the same period). If you hear a dull thud, then it's internal integrity is compromised for one reason or another. An ex-encased will have an altered resonance, but still ring. If the coin is as struck, then the resonance will match that of any other coin from the same era.

[PChammer]

I stand corrected! An ex-encased cent would make the most "cents"... hehe.

But if there's any chance like Ed said that it's been cut open and re-sealed- do a ring test. Just stick the cent on the tip of your finger and ding it with a like coin (another cent of the same period). If you hear a dull thud, then it's internal integrity is compromised for one reason or another. An ex-encased will have an altered resonance, but still ring. If the coin is as struck, then the resonance will match that of any other coin from the same era.

Oddly enough I did do that prior and it makes the exact sound as the other penny, same year, etc... I tried 5 other pennies there seems to be no difference or anything else so internally, it doesn't show any signs of being compromised.

Thanks again.

[PChammer]

Hi all. Just wanted to say that I researched quite a bit on this and so far I've found a few with the same error as I have but they all had double die errors along with it (except one) which is something I don't have.
An example this coin looks close but again has doubling on the date etc...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-d-Lincoln-Shield-cent-Error-Double-3-and-D-3D-Penny-error-Rare-/130978212194

Someone else having the same error without doubling called it a double reverse something strike through (sorry I still don't know all the terms).

I checked on many that were encased and markings and nothing seems to fit, I even took the penny out of my Zippo case, nothing like it.

Thanks again.

[simonm]

Hi all. Just wanted to say that I researched quite a bit on this and so far I've found a few with the same error as I have but they all had double die errors along with it (except one) which is something I don't have.
An example this coin looks close but again has doubling on the date etc...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-d-Lincoln-Shield-cent-Error-Double-3-and-D-3D-Penny-error-Rare-/130978212194

Someone else having the same error without doubling called it a double reverse something strike through (sorry I still don't know all the terms).

I checked on many that were encased and markings and nothing seems to fit, I even took the penny out of my Zippo case, nothing like it.

Thanks again.

The thing is, the coin you linked is not a doubled die. It is die deterioration doubling, and I don't think there would be any connection between a coin having a doubled die and showing the anomaly you have on your coin.